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Security enthusiast?

Get a life kid.

Now, now. Outside of the overenthusiastic and overofficious phrasing, I could have described myself that way at that age. "Amateur" or "would-be amateur" would be more useful descriptions, admittedly.

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plonk !

Thanks Effi,

I consider that an honor coming from you.

For those of you that are not familiar with Effi, He/She is somewhat of a lame troll that among other things thinks having copper pipe in your home will kill you.

Effi, Roger is one of those who gives good advice. Kill file not advised.

Daniel

thanks daniel

however, have other sources for good advice, and they don't tell someone asking a question to "get a life" : )

Galvanized pipe appears to also be a problem as is fiberglass. My maternal grandmother had all 3 things in her house. She died at 89. I'm sure it was that damn copper. LOL

all irrelevant to locksmithing, making you and roger SPAMMERS!

is there a FAQ for this discussion group?

Learned something today. Thank you.

That was good advise! The kid touts himself as a security enthusiast. I translate that to wanting to learn how to open locks he is not supposed to be opening.

Mischief of this sort should be discouraged.

Alright, I guess a few replies, responses and even retaliations are in order.

First, thanks to the few that sent me some good materials to study. I spent the last week reading, studying and understanding.

Second, the definition of an ethical hacker…

Dictionary.Com has a great definition of what hacking TRULY is (its just a bit further down the list):

1. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.

This explains me exactly. I like testing myself. I like knowing that I am intelligent enough to “think outside the box”. If a password is set up to keep people out, I derive an boundless amount of self-esteem in knowing that I am better than that. Once I know that I can get in, that’s it. That is what I am there for- nothing more, nothing less. I get in, I smile, I go to bed.

A lock is simply a tangible version of this. The format is different, but the reward is identical.

I just got an eight piece set from SouthOrd (great company, located a bit north of me near Mickey-Town). I successfully defeated every tumbler in my house- MY house. That’s it. I know that I can do it, and I can now give myself the same egocentric pat on the back as I have grown to crave.

You have all helped me realize a very important lesson. Everyone needs to feel like they are superior. Without that, you might as well stop getting up in the morning. Some like myself learn to pick, hack, and broadcast. Some get the same sense of self worth from flaming. Hey, if I was ignorant to the reasons behind users calling me names, I might just get offended. Nope, I just hope that they got the same gratification from telling me to “Get a life kid” that I did from learning to bypass locks in less than a week.

All in all, I have done nothing but learn from this board and its myriad of users. If anyone cares to ask me anything, do not hesitate- I would love to share the wealth.

-OceanSide

theoretically, the #1. definition in a dictionary is the most common use of the word...amazing the #1. definition for hacker is, per

hack·er1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hkr) n. Informal

1. One who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff. (end of definition)

yet the media continually uses the less common #2. definition, which per

1. One who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a computer network or file. (end of definition)

not that anything at all the media communicates is accurate or true...like those speeding horsepower car and truck commercials by manufacturers

Do this to someones house and it is called breaking and entering. The fact you only sniff the ladies dirty laundry and leave undetected does not make you ethical.

You are sticking yourself into other peoples business and that is wrong.

Hopefully you share the wealth with someone that will open your locks and walk off with your stuff, maybe then you will understand.

Hackers are far from harmless, they cost mega bucks to implement measures to prevent unauthorized access. This sucks capital away from productive ventures.