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"OceanSide Group" snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.net wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.com...

Oceanside,

Here is the FAQ's for this group & you may find some interesting information there.

First off you haven't chosen the best materials for your tools. If you can find some metal street sweeper bristles they make excellent picks and tension wrenches. If all of your street sweepers use synthetic bristles you can pick up some flat spring steel at most good hobby shops. There are lock picking clubs that post on the net but I can't tell you where because I haven't kept track of the posts about them. You might do a search on "lock picking club" here:

You can ask general questions like the ones I just answered and you will get a response. But if you ask technical questions about defeating locks the answers will most likely be a little smoky, if you know what I mean.....

Leon Rowell

OceanSide Group wrote:

captain midnight, i presume? haha j/k

you might also glean some useful information from alt.locksmithing posts archived on google, use this link to search

put alt.locksmithing in the "Newsgroup Return only messages from the newsgroup" slot

then a few key words in "find messages with all of the words" slot

many modern feudal societies and organizations are built upon "seniority" and "newbies" have no "seniority" and are discouraged from partaking in the feudal rewards

if they don't treat you as an equal, run from anyone who tries to exercise "seniority" over you

you might also benefit from finding a local locksmith for questions and real world exposure to the guild

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First I would like to thank the regulars around here for providing me with what I consider a warm welcome. I have read 3 guides so far (including the MIT guide), and have learned a lot.

Most of them emphasized that practice is the only way to separate knowledge and ability. More and more practice evolves ability into talent. I thought that I could jump right in, but by skimming through the beautifully jam-packed board faq, I realize that a bit more research couldn’t hurt.

I am going to read up a bit more, and see if I can answer a few of my first questions unaided. If (more like when) that fails, you’ll see me again!

Thanks again, and remember…

If anyone is looking for some tips in:

Web/Graphic Design Free (pirate) Radio Computer Security DJ’ing & Pro Sound

Don’t hesitate to drop me a line… Scott (at) OceanSideGRP.com

Oh, and good call on Cap'n Midnight (as long your insinuating that my foremost hobby is INSOMNIA!)

…Eh, Einstein didn’t like to sleep either.

captain midnight, another pirate floridian:

"The idea of using the name Captain Midnight, he says, 'just popped into my mind.' He had recently seen a movie with that title about a teenager who had a pirate radio station in his van."

enjoy! : )

I don't think any of the pro's will give you too much in-depth info regarding defeating locks, but that said, you will glean a lot of indirect information if you ask the right questions. I for one simply hate to have customers watch over my shoulder when I pick their locks. If they start that sh*t, I say "lock picking instruction runs at $200 per minute" and they get the hint and stand back. There a so many ways to quickly open a lock, that picking is sometimes the 3rd or 4th option.

Is "ethical hacker" like a "non hate crime"? Gee, pal, I just beat the living shit out of you and stole everything in your house, but I really love yah, mate!

Speaking only for myself, my policy is that I don't teach picking techniques unless I've personally known the person for two years.

You can find many forums on the web, but that's out of my control.

When I was new at locksmithing, I was completely fascinated by picking. Now, after 20+ years in the trade, it's an important part of the job, but not totally fascinating. There is so much more to the job.

The reasons I don't teach picking are several.

1) There is no way to know who is the person asking. Most people asking (or lurking and reading the posts) are decent people, but a few are not. So, I've decided simply not to say anything to anyone.

2) Picking locks is a "trade secret" like many other trades which have their techniques and systems.

3) A very small part of the security of locks is that so few people know how to pick them. So, by teaching lock picking, I make all locks less secure for the world. Not what I want to do.

4) Purely selfishly, I learned lock picking the hard way, with lots of practice, and you can do the same.

I wish you well. Hope this doesn't sound unkind, but the world isn't a nice place sometimes.

I am an ETHICAL hacker,

Pretty much irrelevant. Nobody comes in and says "I'm a criminal and want to break into stuff". People will either help you or they won't. Not too many are going to base it on what you claim you are.

I now am getting a good grasp

Get some real tools.

No luck

It's about 50/50.

There are no moderators.

and regulars mind if I

Probably. It depends on what the questions are.

Or, better yet, is there anyone

Try the alt.locksmithing FAQ's. DAGS.

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As usual you have managed to completely avoid addressing anything posted.

An ethical hacker is someone who does less damage in a lifetime than you do in a typical service call.

"OceanSide Group" snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.net wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.com...

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tip... now try and use quotes. makes it a lot easier for one to tell just who and what you're responding to.

g'day

whatever ya do, don't mention the hair dryer :-)

g'day to ya Steve...

I've given up fighting that battle; the popular use of the word unfortunately doesn't agree with that historical usage, and it's far too late to stage an effort to fix it. Easier for the hackers (original sense of "someone who does something for fun that others would think of as work") to adopt a new term. Or simply resign ourselves to being misunderstood.

Actually, an ethical hacker was once deemed to be someone facinated by computers who diligently avoided invading others privacy, avoided breaking laws and avoided disrupting anything.

The term hacker has since come to mean a dispicable practice of piracy, privacy invasion and destruction.

It's the difference between what I was taught was a christian attitude of tolerance, respect and helpfulness and the current attitude that appears to include derision and profanity.

Daniel