CNN had a story this morning about a shopping mall
where a vandal got in at night and squirted super glue
into the locks of a couple of dozen stores. The story
said that locksmiths had all of the stores open by
midmorning. How do locksmiths typically deal with
a situation like this? Is there anything that can be
done short of drilling the locks?
Defeating instructions??? Please... it's closer to arts and crafts. The
locksmith would try to break down the glue.. or at least thin it out till
the point the lock could be picked or opened by key. The lock would then be
removed for further cleaning and servicing. Most glues can be broken down...
with the exception of some 2-pack glues that go off like steal..... An
expensive and time-consuming exercise that could easily land the perpetrator
into jail for maliceous damage, loss of revenue and costly repairs...
Answer your question Bob??
and crafts. The
thin it out till
not the way I would have gotten them open.
if I told you how a locksmith would handle this situation ?
(it would be giving you defeating instructions)
wasn't the way "the locksmith" in question done it either.
surly not in the time frame mentioned !
Give us all a break........
It's Amazon.com that sells 20 books on locksmithing and its' secrets.
that sells 16 books on safe cracking
that sells 25 books on lock picking
that sells 4 books on forced entry
that even sells Hank Spicer's book on auto locks....
ON the internet primarily US sites... you can buy picks, pickguns, all
locksmithing tools and all safe tools.
The University of Pennsylvania is running a course taught by an ALOA member
on the art of beating MK systems........
On the internet you can take courses on picking, manipulation and general
and on and on
Let's get real here.... Bob only asked an intelligent question and I didn't
give away any secretss........
I have in front of me, I have every code for allmost every lock in the world
and you've got an issue with me for discussing glue????
Maybe if you spent your time dealing with the real issues that effect our
trade and less time playing.......... maybe I could make the same wage as a
Up and until that happens...... keep your advice reasonable and logical and
quit treating people who come to this newsgroup as idiots. Bob.. I hope your
original question was answered??
I was kind of amazed at the "defeating instructions" criticism.
I guess if I had asked a question about lubricating locks, I
would have been seeking instructions about defeating corrosion!
I would think, however, that using a solvent to wash out the glue
would require knowledge of the type of glue.
It would be a matter of economics. The preferred method would to be
try and deal with the glue with solvents, heat etc so that the correct
key will get the lock open (even if it means stripping down and
cleaning the cylinder).
If the cylinder does not fairly readily yield to this, then drilling
and other usual means would be employed to get the lock open. Any
foreign objects could be fished out using picking and other tools
(like a very small sawblade). If a locksmith firm gets several similar
calls, they would presumably get the locks open first then call back
later in the day to reinstate the locks. Businesses would generally
call their regular locksmiths who can replace restricted or
masterkeyed cylinders keyed as the original cylinder.
Unfortunately it still costs the poor shopkeeper money.
The method used could also depend on initial circumstances such as
when doors of TAB's (off track parimutual shops) in Melbourne,
Australia were glued up on the day of the Melbourne Cup.
You're right Bob............ it takes a bit of knowledge about the glue.
Since time is a big factor though, and time is money, it allows us to try a
quick breakup of the glue and then to the mechanical means of opening.
All-in-all, glueing locks is very destructive and has been happening to
locks from the year dot. Like backed up toilets to a plumber............
glued locks are a regular for any locksmith.
Using acetone(sp?) would not be considered defeating instructions.
However, a locksmith would not use that method (I know I certainly
wouldn't). And the method I would use would most definitely be considered
defeating instructions because it would also open a working lock. And
defeating instructions aren't given here for obvious reasons.
Hope this clears things up.
Bob DeWeese, CML
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Bear Lock & Security Service, Inc - A full service locksmith company
specializing in professional, cost effective solutions to your
Commercial, Residential, Safe, and Automotive Security Problems.
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i think a simple answer would be one of the following:
-we drill the lock out, then replace it-
-we use MEK to clean them to the point that the key will open the doors/gate
then they are removed, cleaned better or replaced.
this is such bull shit that this could not be answered in a public forum.
There are two ways. One is for shopping malls where no-one gives a
damn about the price of the lock, they just need to get open on time.
This might be noisy, if that is quicker.
The other way is to preserve the lock because you don't want to
destroy it, and you can afford the time. Assuming the glue used was
superglue (cyano), then several solvents will shift it pretty well -
use a syringe and needle to get it into the back of the cylinder and
flush it out forwards. If it was epoxy, then the lock is scrap
(cheaper to replace than to clean out)
On a major building that's locked every night, you might also rotate
the keying of locks to enhance security, or periodically replace lock
barrels just because of wear. Additional damage from glue just kicks
the normal cycle along by one.
definitely be considered
working lock. And
thats exactly what I was trying to convey but some folks
just don't have a clue.
not ment to be a flame.
just a fact..
really depends on the lock as to what method would be used
to open it.
open the doors/gate
you wouldn't have done it using that method in the time
frame that was given.
a public forum.
looks like you also missed the point.
do you really have to use that type language to try make
your missed point ?
looks like you missed my point all together.
by an ALOA member
manipulation and general
however all that really doesn't apply on this forum.
question and I didn't
lock in the world
desolving the glue wasn't my point.
alternative opening methods were.
that effect our
the same wage as a
reasonable and logical and
just maybe ?
if you read my responce again.
you may understand my meaning ?
until you do, you can keep your opinions to yourself.
here it is for you to read again