Breaking in to the business

MY personal opinion.. IF I was needing help, then I make a phone call.. and we talk.. 'prove' to me you got mechanical ability and COMMON SENSE.. then a background check, and then, you got a spot..I would be willing..

unfortunately, most cant show the mechanical that well, which I can live with, but common sense in a lot of folks is really missing..

and as for your statement, the rake and a wrench? should see some of the 'mechanics' I deal with.. I PASSED THE TEST !!! I ARE ONE!!!... NOT.. passing tests do not make the mechanic..

--Shiva--

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know a locksmith that would take a possible employee to eat lunch. if the applicant seasoned his food without tasting it first? he would not get the job.

then I failed.. I like SALTY, and no one cooks salty..

and an UNRELATED note.. The local GM parts manager and I were talking.. regarding keys by code.. IF, he 'requests under 60 codes a month, regional does a spot check, and goes on.. WHEN he pulls OVER 60, then EVERY request is looked at, proper ID etc, recorded, or else he is in SERIOUS troubles.. --Shiva--

there ARE exceptions :-) I took his meaning as; have an open mind and consider your options, before you jump in and try to repair it.

thanks for the heads-up. I think the dealers around here just don't want to do the paper work, so they made new policies regarding giving any code information.

I just really feel that locksmithing could go hand in hand with what I'm doing now. At my current job I'm working on fire alarms, security alarms, and access control systems. I'm going out of town tomorrow to install nearly $10k worth of mag locks. I'm certianly not just interested in locksmithing because I have a rake and know how to use it. I have more to offer than that.

Attributed to Tom Edison, IIRC.

If you do forget the scurity by obscurity BS these guys preach. Learn to pick locks and bump them as quickly as you can. Stock up on high security alternatives. Offer free demos to anyone and everyone of just how easy their household locks can be defeated then sell them high security replacements and watch the $$ roll in.

Stormin Mormin, I was interested in locksmithing before I got involved in my current job and before I went to trade school.

And you won't find many people cleaner than me. I think I might print out a few resumes tonight, mail them to the local shops and see what happens. Heck, I'm in it for the experience. If I can spend a Saturday riding with a real locksmith, or even just doing things in their shop, it's good experience.

Would you call access c> In my case, the question is what the applicant's motive. Anythign

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actually he was one of the four master/locksmiths that trained me over 25 years ago. he has been retired for nearly 20 years.

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then just what do you have this person do for two years ?

glad you didn't train me :-)

in MY state, with your qualifications, you would not want to work for a lock shop, but an alarm place-install/maintain.. Its a separate weird license requirement. The alarm guys insist you do belong to a recognized state organization. For instance, 2 local companies come to mind, camera/alarm vault installers, do bank work almost exclusively.

--Shiva--

So you've never taught anyone lock picking then huh? I guess to teach it you would have to know how yourself, and have somebody stupid enough to think you could teach anything.

Too bad nobody weeded you out although I'm sure many tried.

Oh yeah they are.

The problem

Like design a master key system where keys can be jiggled around to work in any lock and hope like hell the victims......I mean customers.........."never find out".

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Two works, in many cases. I did a MK in a factory where someone had filed and ground the plugs. I ended up making a 4-step, and even then I could jiggle a couple of the keys to get em to work in different doors. I hope they never find out.

I'm new here, sort of. I've been here before and I'm returning again after a couple years. I remember Stormin Mormon and Shiva. I doubt either of them are hacks.

What did Storm>

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46130afb$1$8976$ snipped-for-privacy@roadrunner.com...

in rekeying, picking locks can come into play quiet often. that is one of the first things I learned. (well, at least learned to practice) learned to use a file when I was handed a 4" square block of brass and told to make it round.

I'd recommend learning some locksmith fundamentals via books, coursework and experimentation, then go forward with some good core skills to offer.

The FAQ for this group has tonsbof useful info to start with.

You can get books such as The Locksmith Encyclopedia to learn how various types of locks work, maybe sign up for a study at home program, read the MIT lockpicking guide, start collecting padlocks and basic key-in-knob door locks to practice picking with, go to the hardware store for a single lock pin kit and rekey your home lock(s).

Having core skills you learned on your own shows a genuine interest, that some may take into consideration when soliciting for apprenticeship.

These days the mechanical and electrical domains of physical security are merging, biometrics and other technologies are changing the way locksmiths do work and what they support through customer demand. As criminals become more sophisticated so do the lines of defense.

Good luck!

I put together letters and resumes for 3 shops. I'll mail them tomorrow morning and we'll find out if anyone is interested. If not, all I lost was some time and $1.17 in stamps.

He's a hack.

That's because you were taught by somebody sane with an IQ over room temp who wasn't a HACK.

I thought about asking you guys what you thought of Foley Belsaw, but it's a somewhat taboo topic. I get offers from them all the time. A few years ago I bought a course off Ebay. I can't remember the name of the company, but the text was from the 70's. Had a lot of good information in it, but not enough detail.

The last price I got from Foley Belsaw was $599. I'm sure it's good material. Even they are starting to integrate security and fire alarms into their training (I'm not sure to what extent).