How to open Diebold cashsource ATM

The idea that burglars are going to steal an ATM and then store it, unopened, sounds pretty farfetched to me so I'm not all that worried about it being stolen. I'm 99% sure it's empty. Like I already said I just want to use it for a low security lock box. If I only cared about the contents and not the container I would have cut it open with a circular saw with a cutoff wheel in short order but that would leave it unrepairable. I got the info I was looking for and tomorrow I'm going to try it out.

Asking what I thought would be a pretty simple straight forward question that so far only one person out of about 8 has been able to answer without indulging in wild and baseless speculation or giving horrible advice about attacking hinges, which I'm pretty sure would leave me with a firmly locked container with destroyed hinges. No matter. I don't take it personaly. I haven't really contributed anything here so I hardly expect people to bend over backwards to assist me. When I get it open I will rectify that by posting some photos and linking to them. I'm sure there are other people who will read this that will find it interesting.

No disrespect intended but if I wanted the $5 or so it's worth as scrap I would have done that already.

I got what look like pretty good instructions. I'll know tomorrow after I try them out.

That last is not bad advice I suppose but I think I have the info now to open it myself. Most of the locksmiths I called didn't even work on safes and one that did didn't know anything about ATM's. The other wanted $500, and that didn't even include reapirs which is crazy. There is an access slot for something that looks factory made cut in the top of the door so I can tell that the door is only about 1/8". Anything this thin is not going to be that hard to get open.

Then why do you post here? As far as I can tell this is a public message board the purpose of which appears to be to share information.

I see that. It didn't stop you from posting over and over to the topic though so at least I've entertained you.

So you figure keeping it from the general public makes the criminals job a bit easier huh?

You've already indicated that criminals don't have much trouble getting information.

If I did would you know it was a real name? Then what difference would it make?

And he wants us to give away for free

I'm sorry to inform you it already has. I got the info I was looking for and will be opening the safe tomorrow. You see 100 people can refuse to answer a question or ignore it. It doesn't matter. It only takes one good answer.

I use it because it's free. I'm sure any law enforcement agency can get user info from them. BTW is "BogusID" your real name? If not? What are you trying to hide?

Sarcasm aside this makes me pretty sure you don't know anything about safes. I don't know a lot but based on the ones I have used myself as well as those I run across in the units from time to time I do know that the combos on all but the cheapest can almost certainly be changed and the factory is not going to have any record of it to give out as though they would do that anyway.

That's the problem exactly. According to my research there is no upgrade available for these machines. They were evidently cheap models and have been totally abandoned as far as the upgrade process. Even if there was a way it would be fairly expensive (100's of $$$) and putting that sort of money into something like this just isn't what I do. As it is none of the banks will allow them on their networks with the inferior encryption they provide. The owner evidently couldn't use it anymore and just left it in storage. That being the case I am looking to make good use of it in the cheapest way possible.

I read them just now. It says: "Yes and No. These is a serious debate, based on serious principles." It then goes on to list information on pick guns, lock picking guides, sources for books on bypassing alarms and locks, information on how to trick a locksmith or clerk into duplicating a key marked "do not duplicate", sources for lockpicks, and a whole lot more. It also links to a cool online code site that doesn't appear to require you to be a locksmith to sign up. If you think this is suppose to discourage anyone from asking how to bypass a lock, a safe, or whatever, you need to go actually read what's there because I don't think you have. It's like the lockpicker central resource center.

As somebody who buys stuff out of storage all the time I can tell you if it has a lock of any sort on it it's usually locked with no sign of a key or combo anywhere around.

Some thief steals an ATM he can be pretty sure has a lot of cash in it. Then he leaves the cash in the thing and pays out money to store it? I don't see it happening. It just doesn't work this way. You find all kinds of stuff in these units but the one thing I have never found is cash. I'm sure somebody has but in general people who can't pay their bills don't abandon piles of cash in a self store unit, any more than they leave it laying in the street.

Since its an older ATM no longer meeting encryption standards, they may actually help you. Some of us will look forward to the image links and overall experiences once you get there.

I use BogusID to limit spam lists, and don't ask the group for info about opening stuff.

I do wish you luck.

Fine. So, did you drill the two holes and bolt/screw/force the dial off yet or not?

I have to disagree with you here. Criminals aren't big on impulse control. If something like that gets stolen they are going to try and get it open ASAP and they are going to use a sledge hammer, cutting torch, saw, or whatever they have without much regard for damage other than to the cash. Also from what little I know on this it looks like the machine has been obsolete encryption wise for almost 2 years now. As far as locked or unlocked people leave containers locked all the time. You would think they would lock them open but the reality is they usually lock them shut then somebody dies or moves or just forgets the combo. I see it all the time. Lots of times with GSA stuff but by no means just that. I wouldn't have any problem opening it for him in person. If it's what I think it is I would charge $150 - $200 if it was understood I wasn't going to be repairing it but just had to leave it repairable.

Tear gas is no big deal. It's just an irritant.

the big question is.. IS IT REALLY tear gas? this is an old safe, and we werent going to find out the hard way..

--Shiva--

then your answer is "Yes and No. These is a serious debate, based on serious principles."

evidently you don't have or care to have a clue about the "serious principles" to the Locksmiths here, its a matter of "ethics". to the rest here, "ethics have nothing to do with it. so, the defeating instructions you get will NOT be coming from the locksmiths. they will be coming from the resident trolls. sorry, but thats the way it is around here.

the above is just information anyone can find on the net. but it has nothing to do with the (locksmiths personal ethics) you will find on this group. think about it...

you really don't realize just how much an irritant the gas can be till you experience it. !!!

The machine is open and repaired. It went very easy and took 13 minutes and about 45 seconds. Yes I timed it just for fun. No real problems. I was off just a hair on my drilling measurement and came in slightly too far to the left but I could still see the fence by looking up and right. The spindle broke when the dial was removed but no big deal I was told that would probably happen. To be honest I don't see the big deal. I talked to a guy I know who has worked commercial insurance for years and he says safes are conservatively rated for the time they will stand up to attack and that for good security they shouldn't be expected to hold out past that. Given that I was told here this safe is rated 5 minutes and it took me just under 14 minutes. I don't see how it's going to be burglarized if it's properly protected in keeping with it's rating. A pro might do it a little quicker but most of the time was spent drilling or changing tools. I have done a lot of metal working and if I had drilled any faster even with the lubricant I would have burned up bits and or work hardened it so I really don't think you are going to drill this in less than 5 minutes. That being the case anybody who has alarms and the other security insurance would seem to require shouldn't have to worry unless some exotic means of entry is used. Here are 3 of the pics. In one you can clearly see the drill bit sticking through.