UPVC Door Lock: Key and lock not in sync

I'm a newbie to this, and I've got a problem with my door lock. It's on a UPVC door and the key rotation is not tying in with the movement of the bolt.

I'm not explaining that well, but it means I can't get the key out of the lock when the door is closed and bolt is all the way into the door frame.

I'd appreciate any assistance... and I'll answer any questions if anyone has any...

Cheers, Rich

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Richard Gillis
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Retime the torque blades on the rear of the cylinders the correct way & problem solved.

BTW, adding in type of lock & Mfr would've helped.


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One simple and annoying cause of this is a slightly shallow pocket in the strike - so the bolt doesn't quite reach the end of its possible travel and so the cylinder doesn't get *all* the way back to the position in which the key can be extracted.

This can be checked very easily by throwing the bolt with the door open (so nothing interferes with the bolt's travel) and seeing if the key can be taken out.

If so - the solution should be obvious.

If not, then this isn't the problem. :-)

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Henry E Schaffer

I had a similar, but there was the outer shell of the door frame and an INNER.. the hole was cut in both, but when the frame got hot in the sun, it was under stress and twisted a bit, NOT allowing the bolt full travel.


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My thanks to everyone so far.... not sure I really understood the first answer (just being a home owner and all), and unfortunately the second answer does not apply - the door has been in use for a number of years and upto now did work correctly (also if the door is open, the key can still not be removed if the bolt is fully locked).

Any other suggestions ?

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Richard Gillis

Umm, Yes...


You could actually tell us in another post what _*_KIND_*_ of lock it is... (Just like Newnsie asked...)

Is it an: Arrow; Schalge; Kwikset; ETC ETC... ??????

Shiva had good advice for you, but I don't think that is your problem...

Did you recently install a _NEW_ lock in this "door that has been in use for a number of years" ???

If you have done so, read below; If you didn't call a locksmith or go and buy a new lock...

Without actually knowing what kind of lock it is that you have, I am going to guess that you installed it incorrectly... Take it apart again... Did you install the bolt in the door upside down ??? (There is a difference) -- Look at it there might be something on it that indicates "this side up"...

When it is installed correctly, the lock works the way it was intended to... However, When it is installed upside down the bolt works incorrectly, as the key can not be removed when the bolt is extended, because when you rotate the key in order to remove it the bolt retracts at the same time...

Hope that helps...

Evan, ~~formerly a maintenance man, now a college student

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I've come across situations where the cam on the cylinder that throws the bolt is at the one o clock position instead of the 7 oclock as it should be, ie 180 degrees out. Dont know how this comes about though. If you take the cylinder out and remove the key what position is the cam in? I'm in UK so this applies to euro cylinders & Oval.

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Ron Ireland

Hi all,

Stragely enough, when I came back from work the other day, my wife had fixed the lock. She said she just turned the key - anyway.. it's all back to normal.

Thanks very much for everyone's help.

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Richard Gillis

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By Wayne Madsen . Online Journal Contributing Writer .

OCT, 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks, CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret "Worldwide Attack Matrix"-a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly prohibited political assassinations.

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Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla. Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130 transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of the investigation of Sharon.

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The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States and other countries in the wake of 9-11. The order to take out Hobeika was transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its perceived high security .... [Courtesy of the Special Collections Services.] ... SCS... ; CIA & NSA & DIA....

The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be ensured plausible deniability.

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