115 pc drill sets a waste?

How do you define a non-integer count of drawers? By weight compared to some standard drawer?

There is such a thing as excess precision. I knew a machinist who did woodwork to 0.001" -- even knowing that it was going to change when the next cloud blew by. :-)

He was doing it for himself, so he was free to do so -- but doing it for someone else, and *charging* for the extra time and care needed to reach that level of precision is another thing. Of course, if the drawings *called* for that level of precision, everything would be rejected by outgoing inspection anyway, unless the whole shop and inspection area were climate controlled. :-)

O.K. When I go to the bins of bit envelopes, that bit is going into an index to replace the too-dull one as soon as its immediate job is done.

Yes -- quite a bit cheaper. And I see that *they*, at least, list the smaller metric in steps of 0.1 mm -- though to cover the full range that I have we still have problems -- because the 7.0 to 13.0 (in the 1 mm to 13 mm case) is in steps of 0.5 mm. Hmm not using the 1.0 to

7.0, which give 13 extra spaces in that one, but I need 51 spaces for the 7.0 to 12.0 which I actually have in an index -- and need to re-label the drawers. Two of the 1 to 13 drawers should do it. The question is whether the smaller end of the metric drawers would hold 7.0 mm or larger bits?

BTW Have you noticed the little hook on the left side of the partition between the letter and number sizes in the 115 bit HUOT indexes? Ever wondered what it is for? It turns out to be just right to hold the HUOT #61-80 index, which I already had, so I have a 125 bit index instead of 115 bit. :-)

I wonder which of the wire size ranges is covered by the "Fractional, Wire & letter Dispensers"

And I wonder which of the drawer sets has been relabeled to make the #1 to #80 (84 compartments) set. Since the price is the same as the "Metric 1mm to 6.9 mm by 0.1 mm" set, and I suspect that they go by the amount of metal used, they may be the same but for labeling. But the metric set would use only 59 slots, not 84.

Enjoy, DoN.

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Either that or by determining what fraction of an additional bit a given drawer could accommodate in relation to the average drawer of the same size range. I will stop here because I do not want the headache. :)

'Harmless Crazy'. I know it well.

(Insert sea story of machinists passing part inspection by thermally growing the workpiece in hand on the way to QC.)

Ah! I'm not that systematic.

:)

--Winston

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Winston

Oh, foo - that's just stupid software. I've seen it on packing lists and parts lists, it just means "exactly." (like "quantity required:

1.000) ;-)

BTW, today I saw Joe the Real Machinist turn an aluminum part down to plus or minus half a thou or less. I was sitting here in my office, and he came to my door, and said, "Hey, Rich, my dial caliper said I still have seven thou to go, so I miked it and it's within a thou, but I think I can kiss it down to dead nuts. My dial caliper is off by seven thou!" I said, "Well, it's a good thing you stopped to check!"

I think he got it dead nuts, at least at room temperature. I think it's a pride thing. :-)

Oh, just remembered - for lube he was using something that looks and feels very much like 80 weight gear oil. And he had a brand-new carbide insert in his bit holder in his tool holder.

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

Somebody mentioned measuring the hole and then checking the wall chart to see what size drill bit is appropriate... That reminded me of the drill bit calculator we wrote a while ago - measure what you need with your caliper, enter the dimension in the utility and it pops up nearest drill size.

In addition to showing the next larger fractional, letter/number and metric size drill bits corresponding to a decimal value input, plus the next two larger and smaller drills - and the clearance, it now also displays target RPM for a particular drill size,

It defaults to 60 SFPM (a good start for mild steel) and you can tweak the value depending on the material being cut or drilled.

The executable is compressed in "Fractions.zip" and downloadable from Shareware, so if it is helpful to you, send us a couple of bucks.

Eventually I should upload it to the dropbox, but as long as I'm updating occasionally it seems best to keep it on my site.

Carla

Winston Churchill once came to Virginia after WWII to attend the unveiling of a bust honoring him at a local university. At the reception afterwards this well-endowed southern belle pushed her way through the crowd and came up to Churchill, where she told him that she had driven all night over 200 miles to see the unveiling of his bust. Churchill looked down at her chest and then up into her eyes and said "Madam, I would have done the same for you!" No wonder why we love this guy.

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Silly me! When you said, "well-endowed," I thought you meant smart! ;-)

I once saw a t-shirt on a large-breasted woman that said, "I wish these were brains!" (That's what the t-shirt said, she didn't have to say a word.) ;-)

Cheers! Rich

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You got my Paypal a few months ago, yes?

Cool! I'm looking forward to it.

So far, I have an error running under wine (Ubuntu Linux) Apparently it needs a helper program, because it alerted: "import_dll Library MFC42.DLL".

*Further 'Feature Creep' Request:*

It'd be cool to have a dialog box revealing the 'cone depth' for a given drill ground to a given angle.

For example: A 0.25" diameter drill ground to 118 degrees included angle will leave a full diameter through hole in a workpiece if the point of the drill travels at least 0.0751" past the bottom edge of a given workpiece. Less, and the hole will have a conical cross section at the bottom.

This feature would be excellent for determining the thickness of a sacrificial backing plate on a mill or drill press, for instance.

--Winston

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Winston

Yes, I got your $$$ - Thanks!

You can download today's update (same URL) and see if the features you requested do what you want... It defaults to a 118 degree drill point. If you're using a different drill angle, change that first before entering the decimal size, or enter the decimal size, tab to the drill angle and then tab out of that to get it to recalculate cone depth.

Carla

'When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you always have enough power left to get you to the scene of the crash.'

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Thanks Carla.

I'd be happy to take this to e-mail: My real addy is on the bottom of the first page of my website:

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Unfortunately we have the same issue. "err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\len\\.wine\\drive_c\\Program_Files\\Fractions.exe") not found err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\len\\.wine\\drive_c\\Program_Files\\Fractions.exe" failed, status c0000135"

I'm looking forward to your program!

--Winston

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Winston

Try looking here:

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I have other versions around, if that one doesn't fly or you can do your own web search for it.

Try putting it here (correct the ?winston? part first):

/home/?winston?/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/mfc42.dll

or in the same directory as "Fractions.exe". The latter will fix the problem this time, the former should fix it for any future woes...

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Leon Fisk

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Thanks Leon!

I've got many other windows programs that work great under wine and I've been warned off loading third-party .DLLs. I shall pass but I really appreciate your help.

--Winston

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That (mfc42.dll) is a standard MS Windows file. The only hassle you might have is finding a version that works with both Wine and Fractions. For some more info (because I can see you're uneasy) see:

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Thanks again Leon!

--Winston

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Winston

Carla Fong fired this volley in news:maudncgVyqjlnxPQnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

The idea of using a computer to figure out which bit to use just leaves me cold...

What's wrong with a simple wall chart?

*(and no... I am not a luddite... about to buy a new CNC lathe)*

LLoyd

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Carla's utility is growing to encompass the information that machinists need in one place. It'll answer the most critical questions we have about RPM and depth clearance as well as the proper drill for a given tap size.

Think of it as a Grand Unified Wall Chart. :)

--Winston

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Winston

Who has wall space for charts? Gerry :-)} London, Canada

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Gerald Miller

I back up C: with the free Seagate or Western Digital version of True Image before installing anything risky, including MS updates:

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It runs from Windows if that still works, and it will create a bootable floppy, CD/DVD or flash drive to restore a disk image to a trashed or new drive.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

I hang them on doors.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

Other folks may also be using Linux, so let's keep it here (and you get to be the Guinea pig :)

I re-compiled it with the required routines from the DLL embedded into the .exe file so it should work without any external dependencies. Still at the same URL.

Let me know if this works on your Ubuntu system.

Carla

"The waitress had no trouble filling out her black lace blouse, velveteen hot pants, and nosebleed heels, but she was a little long in the tooth to be up on stage, and the shade of her blond hair wasn't on God's original color palette." - Reed Farrel Colemar

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Carla Fong

Interesting!

Thanks Jim.

--Winston

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Winston

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YES!

Works great under wine and Ubuntu!

Thanks, Carla!

--Winston

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Winston

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