3,542 Americans have died in combat in the Iraq War 4,775 have died in Chicago murders"
Some very interesting comments: My favorite...
"Time to pull out of Chicago. The government is too corrupt and unstable."'
Gunner
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
An EMT I sat next to on a flight to Seattle recently told me that a trip to the ER in Chicago (by ambulance) now costs the patient (assuming they are not an illegal alien) some $40,000.00 due to the costs the hospitals incur from all the shootings. The hospital socializes the monetary costs of gang related shootings so that anyone coming to the ER who has the means to pay is billed a minimum amount of $40 K. Illegal aliens get a pass since they usually show up with a false identity and enjoy a de facto free "go to the ER" form of Brown Privilege that citizens don't get.
As an aside, I would imagine that the vast majority of those who are murdered in Chicago are not innocents. Their deaths are maybe a net positive for the Windy City.
There is no need to imagine anything, just refer to this very complete statistical analysis for 2011. Short form (they apparently had an Indian on the warpath so some of the pie slices don't add to 100%)
94.8% of the murderers are black or hispanic. 87.3% have priors.
94.2% of the victims are black or hispanic. 76.9% had priors.
There is also historical data, breakdowns by age, sex, or anything else you ever wanted to know about murder in Chicago.
What is the point, numbnut? Even more people die in hospitals and nursing homes too.
3,542 Americans have died in cambat in the Iraq War is 3,542 too many. The Irag War is an illegal war started by a GOP lie (Weapons of Mass Destruction). Do you know Dubya cannot travel overseas because he may be arrested any tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Hague?
Opens up interesting thought. The US has managed to divide into classes. We've always had the poor among us. But now days, the poor have cars, AC, bling, and medical care. All paid for by the middle class tax payer, and paid for "balanced on the backs" of our kids and grand kids. I'm not happy with our elected reps who have set up laws, where people who aren't citizens and or don't work, get money and benefits paid for by me.
Time of day is particurarly interesting. One obvious pallative measure would be the imposition of a strict curfew, at least in the more violent areas. Not only would this help reduce the murder rate, but should also reduce drug traffic, street prostitution and DWI/DUI arrests.
Curfews directed at adults touch upon fundamental constitutional rights and thus are subject to strict judicial scrutiny. The U. S. Supreme Court has ruled that "[t]he right to walk the streets, or to meet publicly with one's friends for a noble purpose or for no purpose at all?and to do so whenever one pleases?is an integral component of life in a free and ordered society." Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 US 156, 164, 31 L. Ed. 2d 110, 92 S. Ct 839 (1972).
To satisfy strict-scrutiny analysis, a government-imposed curfew on adults must be supported by a compelling state interest that is narrowly tailored to serve the curfew's objective. Court's are loath to find that an interest advanced by the government is compelling. The more justifications that courts find to uphold a curfew on adults, the more watered-down becomes the fundamental right to travel and to associate with others in public places at all times of the day.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this right may be legitimately curtailed when a community has been ravaged by flood, fire, or disease, or when its safety and Welfare are otherwise threatened. Zemel v. Rusk, 381 U.S. 1, 85 S. Ct.
1271, 14 L. Ed. 2d 179 (1965). The California Court of Appeals cited this ruling in a case that reviewed an order issued by the city of Long Beach, California, which declared a state of emergency and imposed curfews on all adults (and minors) within the city's confines after widespread civil disorder broke out following the Rodney G. King beating trial, in which four white Los Angeles police officers were acquitted of using excessive force in subduing an African-American motorist following a high-speed traffic chase. In re Juan C., 28 Cal. App. 4th 1093, 33 Cal. Rptr.
2d 919 (Cal. App. 1994).
"Rioting, looting and burning," the California court wrote, "pose a similar threat to the safety and welfare of a community, and provide a compelling reason to impose a curfew." "The right to travel is a hollow promise when members of the community face the possibility of being beaten or shot by an unruly mob if they attempt to exercise this right," the court continued, and "[t]emporary restrictions on the right? are a reasonable means of reclaiming order from anarchy so that all might exercise their constitutional rights freely and safely." West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright
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IMSHO the current situation in Chicago appears to more than meet the above criteria. I am reasonably sure the vast majority of Chicago residents, who are law abiding and productive, would heave a huge sigh of relief knowing the low lifes are off the street at some reasonable hour.
For a more detailed proposal including how the cities can be "motivated" to adopt/implement curfews see
Apparently you are another home-schooled hillbilly inbred just like Gunner.
Bush could not go out of the country without being arrested and tried for war crime and crime against humanity. That is why Bush had to tag along President Obama on Air Force One which has diplomatic immunity and fighter jet escort.
Read the following and educated yourself:
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// GENEVA | Sat Feb 5, 2011 11:49am EST (Reuters) - Former President George W. Bush has canceled a visit to Switzerland, where he was to address a Jewish charity gala, due to the risk of legal action against him for alleged torture, rights groups said on Saturday. //
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Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were convicted of war crime in absentia: // His trouble increased dramatically a year ago when Bush ? along with former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and several other top Bush administration officials ? were convicted of war crimes in absentia by a special war crimes tribunal in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. //
Click the Google link below to see search result for "Bush feared arrest for war crime":
Suffrage was not universal in the newly formed country. Property requirements were still in place, women, slaves, and others couldn't vot. If you read some of the early leaders like John Adams, you'll find the opinion was the fewer people that voted the better or the great unwashed would take over the country.
There is mobility but just because the mechanic in a Lawrence textile plant might have made it to a house on the hill doesn't mean the people up on the hill had anything in common with the workers down in the row houses.
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
The last 2 elections certainly proved that to be correct.
But the people on the hill were few in number, while the workers in the row houses were the majority.
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
True, but it was the minority that was calling the shots, then as now. The populism of the early 20th century was defused by throwing a few bones to the people in the row houses but it was business as usual.
For example, do you think Romney was the best candidate that could have been put forth? In the primaries, the voters certainly weren't enthusiastic. However the GOP establishment consistently boosted him. If you don't travel in the king maker circles, you take what they give you. Why do you think the GOP is pissing their panties about the Tea Party? Right or wrong, it's the Young Turks challenging the GOP power structure.
John Adams, who brought you the Alien and Sedition Acts that made it illegal to criticize the government or its minions. He would fit right in. The secind president and the dream was already dying.
Slaves had long since been emancipated when in the 1900's women's suffrage was championed and won.
Woodrow Wilson the Progressive-Democrat and eugenics supporter was one who re-segregated the military and helped the woman's suffrage movement while he sent all the men off to WWI.
Which begs the question of what did blacks not offer Democrats that women voters did? And it looks like it's their votes, so the Democrats that stayed home from WWI gave women the right to vote and then held back on allowing blacks to advance in society because they might vote Republican as they could still remember which party had actually freed the slaves....
In retrospect it all looks very cold and calculated on the Democrats part.
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