Bolt Action or Double Rifle!

Something wrong with a Bazooka? ;)

Hunt dangerouis game and you might get eaten.

Hunt VERY dangerous game and their bodyguard might shoot back ;)

Not easy to hit dangerous game, long time to reload. (IIRC)

exactly... I think that chicken or lamb tastes better than dangerous game, anyway.

i

DE sez: " Neither actually, I prefer a 45-70 lever with the 405 gr solid over a full house charge of 3031."

Not too well up on your guns are you. 45-70 (??) I doubt you can get any

45-70 ammo short of loading it yourself. Wouldn't what you propose be more accurately termed, "45-full house charge of 3031"?

Bob (gun nuts are appropriately named) Swinney

On 22 Mar 2005 10:57:00 -0800, the inscrutable jim rozen spake:

I was looking for that video of the buck attacking the hunter when I found this odd story.

I was on the floor in tears the first time I saw Crocodile Dundee, when he had the wild drunks in the pickups fooled into thinking the roos were shooting back. That's one classic flick.

And give me a 4-bore for defense against that angry rhino or bull elephant.

If it's good enough for Henry Bowman, it's good enough for me. (Inside joke.)

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Well Bob, first off I happen to live and work in grizzly country. And I speak for what I feel is a good "dangerous game weapon"

The guide gun is a great "just in case gun" it is popular among professional guidesin both Alaska and Africa. For a "looking for trouble gun" I'd pack a bolt rifle in any old caliber as long as it starts with a 4.

I've been rolling my own for many a year and have no problem carrying that in bear country. But for those who want tailor mades these have a good rep

But there are lots of other factory 45-70 cartridges still available at most any sporting goods store in this area.

DE

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner wrote back on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:23:12 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :

And considering the photographs floating round the net, of what a regulation mule can do to a cougar... when we say "hardass", we mean a "hard ass." Bucked his rider off and tore into the cougar. Kilt him dead. "D-e-a-d, beaten on the rocks ... dead!"

So watch out for wild horses, or other ruminants. Feral pigs aren't exactly Jimmy Dean flavored shmoos on the hoof, if you know what I mean.

Friend of mine was the Great Hunter. She hunted with a bow "for sport" and most time just whistled her deer and then told it to take off. But when it was time for putting meat on the table, well, that was why the good Lord invented 30-30s. And Maglights.

tschus pyotr

The 45-70 is common as dirt. Even Kmart sells the ammo. Or did. It went through quite a revival about 30 yrs ago.

Gunner

Though not quite as commonplace as .30-06 ammo, .45-70 "factory" ammo is readily available. "Variants" from .45-70 (e.g., .45-90, .45-110, etc.) are pretty much "roll your own".

-jc-

Ayup. Though when I was growing up in Northern Michigan, it was a jack light and a .22

Gunner

Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:26:22 GMT, John Chase wrote:

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Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael

Sorry, "DE". I only meant that you should be more specific (as you were) re. cartridge and caliber description. Most of us know the venerable 45-70 Govt. cartridge is still made and that some manufacturers supply "modern" firemarms for this old black powder cartridge. Some aren't aware of this; there is a distinct danger they may get the impression old rifles can handle the new "45-70" ammo.

Case in point: Recently on the target range, an idiot on the next bench was spraying me with lead shavings and unburnt powder. Just before I got up to leave, he stops and begins looking at (not through) his scope. The cross hair and post reticle was laying on the bottom. Excessive recoil from hot handloads in a new 45-70 had wrecked the scope. The idiot said he was using handloads he got from a friend that loaded the 45-70 up to some super big-game power.

That's one reason why I like my .30-06 so much: Chances of *EVER* finding myself short of available ammo are, realistically, somewhere between "slim" and "you GOTTA be joking, right?" Maybe if an apocalypse scenario like "Mad Max" or "The Postman" were to develop, but I don't see that being too likely.

Sounds like the .45-70 is pretty much the same concept. Our Wal-mart has 'em, right alongside the pile of .30-06 rounds that come in multiple weights from multiple makers, and like the .30-06, they have several "flavors" of .45-70 available within easy eyeball range.

Booze, smokables (tobacco, pot or both), twinkies, .30-06 & .45-70 ammo, and 12 ga. 2-3/4" plastic 00 buck shells...

The barter goods of choice for the coming apocalypse! :)

No offense taken, I should be a little more articulate when responding.

Son in law went after a grizzly last fall with a .338mag. He shot maybe at

75yds broke both shoulders but the bruin still charged. The guide stopped it with a couple out of a 375h&h. It fell at spitting distance. A month after he got back he sold his 44mag, I asked why and his reason was that he got it for bear and now he felt it would be worthless..if needed.........after the last bear his third griz.

I found some spent 45-70 cases a while a ago without headstamps circa pre 1880. Very thin walled with rolled heads, (metal content) a lot lighter than modern types. These guys at garrett are big on the guide gun, I think their african tales are pushing it a bit:

DE

Gotta have a few cans full of it, yes. Although LC National Match would be hard to part with, in any circumstance except, well, a match.

Yup.

The Best sellers are .22lr, 12 ga, and 3030

Gunner

Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael

Walmart, to its credit, carries a few calibers that I consider to be somewhat "oddball", such as 7mm rem mag. They charge a lot of money for them, comparatively speaking. I consider it an anomaly.

I find practicing with calibers larger than Mosin-Nagant (about equivalent to 30-06), to be too painful, physically and financially. My 7mm rem mag rifle sees very little use because of ammo cost and painful recoil. Which is a pity, since it is superbly accurate and has a very flat trajectory.

i

Its greatly regional. 7 Maggie is common as dirt in the West. Probably every bit as common or more than the 06 in many places out here in "horizon is 80 miles away" country.

That's why we who shoot a couple hundred rounds or more a year , handload. I can load a box of tuned, highly accurate 7mms for about $4.00 or less. Or, much less than a dime for most of the belted magnum loads that use cast bullets.

Even the 375 H&H and larger cartridges are less than .40 cents each using the high end bullets and more expensive powders.

Gunner

Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael

My grandfather shot a bear in his pajamas. How the bear got into his pajamas defies explanation.

22LR, or 22 magnum?

Jim