I have not yet picked them up, but they seem to have a pneumatic
function to pop up those balls to roll heavy items on the table, and
then to retract those balls down for, say, welding or when you need
the item to lay firmly in position.
If they are steel, I will keep one for sure to use as a welding
table. They have lights and so on.
On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
My welding table has two levels, about 28" and 40". Small projects go
on the high part which is adjustable... well, maybe you can guess the
rest. But more likely you'll just make up some nonsense rather than
admit that low tables are perfect for a lot of projects, and easy to
add a block or whatever for smaller parts.
On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:38:45 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
I end up doing lots of stuff on the floor because my table's too high.
I might buy one of those elevating tables, even a small one would be
handy. My existing table has storage underneath for short pieces and I
wouldn't want to give that up, so I'd end up with two tables. I could
probably stand the elevating one up against a wall to save space... if
I had any room along the walls. :)
I lucked out on my all-purpose work table. I found a power height
adjustable base unit at a surplus store for $50, apparently something
had fallen on the switch and jammed it down, a few min of work freed the
jammed actuator (1 of 2) and a new switch fixed the rest. I replaced the
adjustable feet with a set of HD swivel locking casters for mobility and
made a 4'x6' top of double 3/4" ply topped with a sheet of laminate I
had on hand and some oak edging. After nearly a decade of use including
TIG welding it has a few discolored spots in the oak edge and a couple
burns in the laminate, but otherwise it's in great shape.
Well, just like you couldn't grok the *statistical nature* of the ill-design
of the Volt, you apparently can't unnerstand the statistical nature of
What are the most LIKELY (or libel?? lol) uses of a typical welding table??
Dollars to donuts, for the avg shop use, 40"+ is far more useful.
And no, adding height-raising blocks'n'shit to a low welding is NOT so
straightforward, depending of course on the parts to be welded.
Much easier to stand on a crate or sumpn for big stuff on a tall table.
Also, most TIGing, brazing, etc is better done on a tall table.
As was once explained on SEJW, the table should be at ELBOW height.
If you got both, fine.
Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??
On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:47 -0400, "Existential Angst"
The statistical part of the Volt is EASY for objective minds: five
year cost lower than comparable vehicles, as I've told you multiple
times, and you continue to ignore.
There is no need to be limited to "statistics" when welding. Different
projects require different setups, which when it comes to tables are
cheap and easy.
It depends. Shocking, I know.
Apparently in your mind, the "average shop" is limited to one table
height. I guess I'm above average!
LOL Your ability to rationalize never ceases to amaze me. I've stood
on all sorts of crap and ladders while welding, but having to do that
on account of being held hostage to table height dogma is a new one on
I do most of my TIG while sitting on a bar-height chair, with the work
clamped to the adjustable high part of my table. I would NOT want the
entire table to be that height.
No, the table should be at a suitable height for the project at hand.
If I wanted another 11 Volts, I could write a check. That's reality,
as opposed to the Angstmobile, which is exactly as stupid and as
likely as the cull.
That was only part of my point. And you can't even calc a legit ROI until a
repair history is known.
Plus most volts get relatively few miles put on them, which further skews
the analysis.... I know, a bit over yer head, sorry.
No, it's your AQ (assaholic quotient) that'ss way above average.
The context here is some-time welding, not a dedicated welding shop.
How much welding does the avg home shop or even machining job shop do?
Not much, in my experience.
If you do LOTS of welding, well, then get/make an adjustable table. There
were a number of suggestions to ig along those lines.... all of which he
Again, it depends on how much welding is being done in a location.
For most shops, people doing occasional welding, elbow height it highly
ergonomic, from a variety of pov's -- the back, visual, manual dexterity,
But it seems explaining the elbow-height table advantages to assholes is
like tryna explain good pussy to a confirmed fagit..... perhaps an apt
Fine. Again, for occasional welding most people will not want to go thru
My welding table is 1/8 HR on 3/4" ply, braced on 2x4's in a blind
alcove.... quick, cheap, simple. And 42" high.
Serves many other functions, since I don't weld much anymore.
Statistics, statistics.... and context, context.... again....
Heh, the reality, as per jb's last article on the Volt, is that GM engineers
are now leaning more toward the AngstMobile than Kidding's
Ascot-fluttering-in-the-wind Planetary GearMobile.
You still don't get it. Really, if you want anyone besides PlimpBoi to
throw you a fish, yer gonna haveta study harder. arf arf clap clap <no
fish this time, for kidding>
On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:41:36 -0400, "Existential Angst"
Nothing you've ever written is over the head of the average 12 year
old. Your primary skill seems to be making stupid rationalizations.
You're obsessed with this table height thing. I have a home shop and
an adjustable table. No big deal for me or anyone else.
No, even the most occasional welder can have an adjustable table, or
an add on shelf or whatever. It's a simple thing except for somebody
making up excuses.
There is no "alladat."
Good for you. That doesn't mean that most other tables need to be any
Something tells me you never did much welding if you think that an
adjustable table is some kind of production shop thing.
The reality of you claiming that an adjustable welding table is a big
deal is bloody funny considering that a couple weeks ago you were
imagining how you could build an entire car and do a better job than
GM or Toyota.
No, there has been talk of many different things, but there will never
be an Angstmobile from GM or anyone else. But I don't expect that to
prevent you pretending otherwise rather than working toward buying
You could have a remote point if you knew the fukn diff between rationale
But since you don't.... think of yer difficulty with liable vs. libel...
Yeah, NOW you know the diff, since you just googled it.... lol
Here's the simple deal for Welding PeaBrains:
Make a 28" table, and see a fukn chiropractor, and have shelving/risers up
the ass, for all the shit for which you wish you had had a 42" table.
Or have a 42" table, which for most people will suffice for 95%+ of their
welding needs, and once in a blue moon stand on a crate for taller stuff.
Btw, you can weld goodly-sized stuff on a 42" table without much ado.
Elbow-height worktables in general is a distinctly superior ergonomic
Ahhhh, but for most run-of-the-mill welding, it should. You still don't
understand statistics, and are libel to never understand statistics.
Heh, GM apparently thinks they shoulda done a better job -- or spend $0.1
BIL, instead of $1-2 BIL -- along with the 300,000,000 Merkins not buying
the volt, eh??
And god help GM when toyater/honder gets in the serieshybrid show.
Working toward buying what??
When I need a new car, I'll decide amongst the Leaf, the prius, or the
second gen Volt -- or whatever.
I don't really need to color-coordinate a driving outfit/gloves/ascot with
my car, donchaknow....
On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:26:00 -0400, "Existential Angst"
I've been using my current table for about 15 years. I'm in my 60s and
have never been to a chiropractor in my life. So you're full of shit
Sure, it will be perfect for the low spots and you can climb a ladder
or whatever for the high spots. A lower table might eliminate the need
for the climbing, and the low spots can be done sitting down. Whatever
works best, no need to obsess that anything other than certain height
is crazy, or to follow Ig around beating a dead horse.
The Volt that you obviously want but can't afford. Like a 10 year old
boy who's sweet on a girl and shows it by holding a spider under her
Whoyakidding? You'd buy a Volt right now if the dealer would sell you
one with zero down and low enough payments. The irony is that you
might be able to afford regular payments if you'd use your time
productively instead of endlessly posting your crackpot ideas. Face
it, you're going to post at least another dozen rants about table
height, and probably another couple hundred on EVs. But you won't say
one new thing, and other than avoiding work you'll accomplish nothing.
Oh, so in KiddingReality, one point determines a line?? OK.....
Well, once again the Kidding Knowitall Ignerints shines like a lighthouse
beacon on Usenet....
So I guess you never read the cover story in Newsweek a cupla years ago, on
the 80 million Merkins with backs bad enough to cost BILLIONS (mygod, more
than what GM spent on their planetary-geared-up Volt!!!) in lost work days.
And that there are well-accepted ratios of back strain -- lying down to
sitting to standing to leaning/bent forward being approx a 1:2:4:10 ratio.
So leaning over/partially forward, like, well, on a 30" welding table, will
wreak HAVOC over time with about 70%++ of people performing that kind of
It's actually simple Newton's Laws/torque, and an elbow-height welding table
*greatly* reduces these strains, in most cases. An elbow-height table also
facilitates leaning on the table for support, as well.
Youir apparently-strong back bespeaks the therapeutic value of spending so
much time on your knees, on all fours, fellating the Status Quo and
I'll have to recommend this more often to suitably-persuaded clients.
A major application of my apparatus, btw, is back-rehab related. Which is
what the haas gr510 is for -- you know, the machine who's downpayment was
more than the total price tag of your bloatVolt..... heh, and with far less
That's right. So would any intelligent person. And???
The irony is that you
At least I don't show myself to be a frigging total igneranus on virtually
everything I address.
You STILL don't know how your Volt works. OR the real ROI.
Or, apparently, anything about ergonomics, backs, or much of anything else.
You are, however, able to fool a whole bunch of people -- which is its own
gift/talent, I spose....
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