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You need not say even that. You're free to accept or reject any offer.

Some years ago I had a GMC Suburban to sell. I advertised it at a very fair price. A middle-aged man and daughter came to see it. The guy made a production of extolling the faults of the old truck which I was offering for 400 bux. He said it wasn't worth nearly that. I thanked them for stopping by to look.

He said waidaminnit, he demanded a counteroffer from me.

My counteroffer to him was 600 bux.

His young daughter had the look that says "way to go, asshole Dad." She liked ugly old Black Mariah warts and all.

I sold it the next day for my asked $400. The Chevy 396 engine in that truck was worth the asked price.

Does it run and weld ok?

"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:25:55 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

"Such a deal I wouldn't give my own brother! (Cause he knows where I live.)"

Seems fair to me. Or the system seems fair. It is, after all, your stuff.

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

A cool approach to a common problem, Don

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I have not tried it, but was told that it does. I will try it on Saturday, hopefully.

i

Just learn to tell the person to watch out for that doorknob on the way out. You are doing nothing wrong by offering it for less to friends and associates. And why do you want to spend more than two seconds listening to some whiner when the next guy will pay full boat? The guy is obviously bent if he is going to search through all that to find that information. You will lose customers if you don't advertise here. And those will be better customers than this clod and his ilk.

Steve

"Ignoramus21020" wrote

In my business, I found that some people were not up to my standards. No matter what you would do the job for, they could get it for less, even if that price was less than the cost of materials. You dreaded dealing with them because of the whiny negotiations. You would not lose much if you lost those people, and they would probably be replaced with better customers.

Steve

You just need to develop a simple test for these folks. Tell them if they are on this group then there is one person they probably have kill-filed. If they answer Cliffy, sell them the item, If they answer Gunner, Ed, Don Tell them to get lost....

Simple.

Or tell them that the door out is the same one they came in....

Or only offer the discount to posters here. When they find the link some way other than reading rcm, just ask them what name they post under and what their last post was about, and google it up (or not :-)). I can't see this leading to a flood of one time posters just to get the discount, and even if it does, maybe some of those newbies will stick.

Oh, since I tend to hijack other's threads it is only fair to hijack my own - if anyone cares about my previous question on power supplies, I got a

10V50A HP power supply for $12.50 on ebay. Was listed as only going up to 8.4V instead of 10V so sold as not working, for parts. Two of the pics clearly showed the external wires from the remote sense terminals to the output terminals were missing so I took a chance and now it works just fine.

----- Regards, Carl Ijames

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:07:37 -0600, the infamous "SteveB" scrawled the following:

Absolutely! It's better to lose that type of customer than to lose money servicing them AND lose your reputation by having worked with them, because that type is never, ever satisfied. Gild the project and they'd still whine about the glare.

------ We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there.

The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.

I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with a local supplier's name on the collar.

He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's a big MF of a lathe!

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I altered my bottle by just grinding it smooth, then finishing it with a sanding disc, then a wire brush @ 14,000 rpm. Sounds like this ain't his first rodeo.

Steve

They are only taking a light cut with a lathe or a light touch with the die grinder on the bottom (non-threaded) half of the collar, just enough to take off the cast-in raised letters with the old bottle owner name on them.

Doesn't matter that the company named on that collar is no longer in business and didn't sell off their stock to another company, you are stuck with a bottle you can't exchange. At least until you make that confounding name disasppear.

Once it's neatly gone, and you have a supply house that has enough discretion to not ask questions that don't need asking, now you have an Owner Bottle you can get filled.

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I think I understand.

It's still hinky. :)

--Winston

Gunner, I would really like to have a bg shed with several big machines in it. Whenever I see those liquidation sales, with 20x78" lathes going for $600 or something, my heart bleeds.

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You really don't know what we're talking about, do you? You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the cast collar. Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle unless your name is on the lease. When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a rental status, THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the bottle. Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If you take it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and just say thank you. Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil matter, and besides, their name, or the name of the company they represent is clearly on it, and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a fuss, the counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in stolen property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and always by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to you and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine. You have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.

You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How long have you been reading these threads.

HTH, and that you NOW understand it.

Steve

Indeed. The lathe I mentioned though is in my shop in Fullerton. I have

440 service at 800 amps.....the motor that runs it is....50hp. Nothing you really really want to own unless you have lots and lots and lots of work.

But I agree on having a warehouse...some really really good deals on machinery these days. But when it costs $2000 to move that $800 lathe..and no one is buying...its almost enough to make a guy cry....

GUnner

"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

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We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)

Why do you say that? I thought I was.

Yes, in most cases that is true.

That's reasonable.

Yes, in most cases. So?

Years. And you?

I got that before, Steve.

Can you help me understand your position, though? You come in to possession of a bottle. It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."

I know what I would do under those circumstances. I'd return it to the supplier.

The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."

I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.

My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.

It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner, as is, no modifications.

If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any 'owner' bottle.

I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".

Yes?

--Winston

Is there a special mark that's used for bottles that can be personally owned by an individual?

Thanks, Rich