Generac Guardian Generators

Due to the additives, a fuel stabilizer is a must

That's why his approval rating has steadily declined since taking office, is it? Your Puffington Host says it all in a chart:

-- "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." --Edward Abbey

There is no possibility of that with the pluggable sub-panel setup. Personally I prefer the approved interlock kits available for many brands of panels, I use the Square D QOGCK kit on my QO panel.

That's the claim, however I've yet to find any incident report that supports that claim. In every "lineman killed by improperly connected generator" report I've read (and I've read quite a few) the ultimate cause of the incident and fatality was the lineman failing to follow their mandatory procedures and ground the line before working on it.

Nope, the reason his approval rating has declined since taking office is the same reason the approval rating would have declined if his competitor in the race (or anyone else) had taken office - unrealistic expectations. The population simply has unrealistic expectations of how quickly the battered economy can be repaired and wants instant gratification, something that is just not possible.

I stated my opinion, which at times may agree or disagree with the average of other people's opinions.

I feel proud to have Obama as our president.

Exactly.

Think about one thing.

If your generator backfeeds the power line through the transformer, this means that you are also powering a whole neighborhood.

Proper generator connections (interlocks, pluggable panels, transfer switches) are very important for many reasons, but let's not lose track of reality, which is that a backup generator is usually not capable of running a whole neighborhood.

Unless it is a MEP-006A, of course.

Yes, a back feed to much more than your own downed service drop will generally result in a generator stall and/or breaker trip. Very few cases where you can light up any significant length of primary line back feeding through a transformer. If the linemen follow their mandatory procedures, they test the line and then ground it before working on it, so if your generator is lighting it up when they test, they'll come find you, and if you try to fire it up after they've grounded the line your generator will trip out.

Have you ever seen any politician of any party that didn't make campaign lies?

Cites? I've read numerous OSHA accident reports and not one supported that conclusion.

False convictions. The US's pathetic legal system is rife with them. I do A/V work with a lot of attys. doing pre-trial research with test jury pools for technical civil cases and the jurors rarely ever come up with the correct verdict. The whole legal system is designed to select the least qualified, most emotionally manipulatable jurors - it's just a big scam.

Sorry boopie, Obummer is no Marxist, lay off the right wing babble shows and look at the facts. All politicians are liars, it is their nature. Your beloved right wing politicians are liars as well.

Their leaders were much more similar to President Bush.

Sorry, but that in no way supports you claim and is also not an OSHA report. There is no "supposed to be dead" in the lineman's handbook, there is only "tested and grounded before working bare handed", a mandatory procedure that will prevent injury in *all* generator back feed cases as well as the many cases of poor coordination between line crews.

It's generally liberal attys. manipulating the poorly educated, and that demographic leans toward the conservative side, though the liberal side is catching up in the "poorly educated" race. It's all part of the Great Global Tidy Bowl Swirl (tm).

It's not the pileline that stores it; it's large tanks. In most of the country, natural gas is highly reliable, with MTBF's in decades. (Obviously, Shake & Bake Califunny is an exception.) Given the massive effort the utility must expend to restart; that's not surprising.

I recall a local gas utility outage in the 60's. It was summer and only part of one suburb, but took them 60H+ and mega$$$ of overtime to visit every house, shut off the main, re-pressure the feeds (and vent, I bet) then one by one re-visit each house and relight pilots.

You need to look at the upside/downside of alternatives:

a) Gasoline: Chances are your insurance company, fire marshal and the local EPA will be all over you if you want to store more than a few gallons of gasoline. Plus it spoils. You can rotate it out by burning it in cars.

b) Diesel: Surely a great idea at a facility where they have big demands & have regular maintenance. But the fuel has a limited lifetime, & grows critters in the tank. (Got a Diesel car?) The initial cost is higher and the engines need frequent oil changes.

c) Propane: Burns clean, since you consume vapor. Stores forever, and does not upset the fire marshal. But it does need a large tank for a reasonable capacity.

Gas can be stabilized for a year without much issue, and can easily be rotated through vehicle use at more frequent intervals. Storing more than a few gallons isn't a huge issue as long as you can store it in a suitable dedicated space with secondary spill containment and the appropriate warning signs.

Diesel full has a very long lifetime if properly stored. Diesel biocide is readily available to kill any critters that may try to grow, and those critters also can't grow if you ensure that there is no water in the fuel. There are inexpensive products for removing water from diesel storage tanks also (they're kind of like big tampons you hang in the tank). Diesel cars are sadly uncommon in the US, but diesel trucks, tractors and construction equipment are not so in many cases it's pretty easy to cycle through fuel. The US northeast also commonly uses fuel oil for heating, so fuel can be used up there as well, and the heating oil tank is also an acceptable and legal source of generator fuel.

Sorry, LP does indeed upset the fire marshals in some areas.

I am not sure what it means "reportedly".

He was working on a high voltage power line, did not ground himself, and was "reportedly" killed by a generator? Which supplied the entire HV line and its customers?

Could it be the power company that accidentally energized the line that was not grounded, trying to shift blame to an unknown "homeowner"?

I think you misread what I wrote. The news piece (not OSHA incident report) that was referenced indicated that the lineman was electrocuted working on a line that "was supposed to be dead". I pointed out that there is no "supposed to be dead" in the power lineman's handbook, there is a clear "test and ground before working bared handed" procedure in said power lineman's handbook.

This "test and ground before working bared handed" procedure requires testing with a voltmeter, and then solidly grounding the line to be worked on, all performed with full hot line gear, before the lineman is allowed to work on the line bare handed.

Following this procedure which is mandatory under all utility and OSHA rules will prevent injury 100% of the time. A line that is solidly grounded will not go live regardless of what occurs down the line. If the lineman was injured, he was injured due to his failure to follow this mandatory procedure, the source of the electrons that injured him, be they from a private generator or the utility's generator is irrelevant.

Most of the time, "critters in diesel" occur because water was introduced into the tank. That can be prevented. There are also biocides that kill those critters, and diesel fuel can be so stored indefinitely.

Of course. That goes hand in hand with the nym, "Ignoramus."

But seriously, Iggy - didn't you emigrate from a communist country? Do you really think communism is better than Freedom?

Thanks, Rich