Gunner: I'm back

Oddly enough..with only a couple deviations, this sounds like your run of the mill extremist Liberal.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell

And best wishes to you and a good recovery as well.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell

Got that right, Mike.

mike

why is it "vile spew" when Tim says it but God's Own Words when Mark says it ? The message is exactly the same. Mark has a cuter butt ?

just wondering .....

Prior to the the 1960s when the federal government completed its insidious control of everything medical, Americans could afford medical care, *out of pocket*.

Just setting a simple leg fracture costs $2000. In 1960 this same procedure cost about $150.

All that would be necessary to cause today's prices to plumment would be government's absence.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:25:38 GMT, Gunner calmly ranted:

Morphine junkies are like that. Yeah they are. ;)

So call 'em back (once you're all better) and ask now that you know some of their names. You've got an "in" now, son. Use it!

I don't post as much as I would like, but I read a lot of what's posted here...

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE LIVING THING, GUNNER!!!!!! (Most People don't appreciate it enough on a daily basis) Very Big Grin

Quick story and then I'll get back to looking forward to all your wrong opinions.... :-)

My father tried to quit smoking for years when I was a kid, never quite succeeding.... One day we were out with my nieghbor up in the woods cutting firewood and they made a $100 bet... the one who quit smoking first won the cash.

The next weekend my father died in his sleep from a heart attack; I was 14 at the time. At the wake I half jokingly said to my neighbor that it looks like my dad won the bet. The next day he gave my mother a hundred bucks and never smoked again.

Good luck with the new and improved lifestyle!!!!!

(it's just too bad you're not about to change your politics too.) hehehe

Welcome back,

James, Seattle

I find it interesting that Bush is raving about all the NEW JOBS, even though the vast majority of those are low-paying service jobs. A full time McDonald's worker makes $20k a year and no health benifits... THESE are the jobs that are on the increase.

The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just lazy.

Of course, the "haves" are wrong.

James, Seattle

An individuals plight in life is generaly the result of thier own decisions. Even a poor kid from arkansas can become president of the united states, turns out he just wasn't a slacker.

Best Regards Tom.

In 1960 a nice house in Marin County cost $19,000. Today the same home sells for over $800,000. So your simple leg fracture is a bargain.

Either that, or possibly medical costs would fall into line with real estate costs and your $ 150 fracture would now cost $ 6,300.00

Comparisons with costs of forty years ago is not a very valid way to make sensible claims cf "government's" role in society or cost structures.

You're forgetting to factor in inflation. $150 in 1960 is roughly equal to $1500 today. So unless you can greatly reduce the money supply, just getting government out of medicine won't achieve a return to

Gary

Yeah, but, I think that is an extraordinary case. For every engineer who came from a poor blue-collar family, there are 20 who had some family connection with the business, had a family that valued education and hard work even if they were not rich, and had the money that sending their kids to University didn't involve taking two jobs.. luck really is part of it, most of the time.

Think how lucky we are to have been born in the richest part of the world and not to be the 15th son of some mud farmer in Bangladesh- virtually a sentence to a short nasty lifetime of back-breaking labor.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Just imagine what a person could do, if his father happened to have been *president* of the united states.

Jim

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Uh, yeah, you do:

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Sure she does. All three openings. At the same time.

I don't hold any hard feelings (heck, I wished you good luck on your health issue a few days ago), but either you were mistaken or you lied about this.

Do the research and draw your own conclusion. I have an asshole and an opinion. Likely, you have those things, also.

Just 3 weeks ago I woke up sore and weak in the morning, by noon I couldn't turn my head, by 4:00 If I did a flight of stairs I was dizzy and breathing hard and had a 103 temp. Went to the hospital and was found to have limes, took the antibody and now feel better than I have in the past 2 months. Little tiny tick is all it took. Not much like your problems but was very scary as I looked at my 2 year old and couldn't walk out to get the mail because I was out of breath from picking here up feed her.

Yep, just so. The federal income tax on an income of $20K, with one dependent (could be more if his adult son is considered a dependent, with no income of his own, and could include the wife of the son, plus their new kid, so the total number of dependents could be 4), and with mortgage interest and business expense deductions (Gunner has said his expenses nearly equal his income, so...), is very, very, very low. Certainly under $1000.

I've paid out $80,000 in taxes in some years. (Including on assets I bought 25 years ago, for which I'm largely paying taxes on inflation gains, that is, not real gains at all. Sort of like having a banknote getting some zeroes added to it, and then being told by government that the "gain" is taxable.)

And yet I have never taken a dime from the county agencies. Nor will I qualify to have a $400,000 medical bill "picked up by the taxpayers."

In Gunner's social democrat world, he not only pays very little in taxes, he also gets the largesse of socialism.

"From each according to his abillity, to each according to his need," except people with assets don't even get anything even when they are in need. Worse than socialism in some ways. A double whammy against achievement.

No wonder inner city welfare types and rural white people are so often so similar.

It may be that his many years of ranting against socialism had to do with some kind of "cognitive dissonance" because he knew he was sucking off the government tit (his wife's $400,000 freebie treatment), but he couldn't rationalize it, so he ranted about Canucks and welfare mothers and thefts via taxation.

--Tim May

Quit when I was in the Army. I had only been smoking (1-1/2 packs daily). I qwanted to be on a rifle team. Practice days when I didn't smoke first my scores would be 10-15 oiubts higher than days when I smoked. Very Convincing......

Paul in AJ AZ

Well, Tim, my Wife and I make around $200K per year between us. As wage earners, we pay plenty of taxes as well, my guess as a percentage more than you. (No business hide holes to protect our money.) I personally cheer Gunner on to use the system he and we are forced into by the elected officials. That does not mean I don't want a change, nor does it mean he doesn't want a change. As a Survivalist, you should use all the tools that are around to survive and thrive. There is no shame in doing so, nor does it make him a hypocrite. (The only thing that would do that is his vote. I would bet that he votes as he advocates.) I am not Libertarian, but Republican. Have been since Goldwater ran. (No, I could not vote, but I did stand and argue with Democrats in the Republican booth at the Del Mar Fair.) So I don't fit the NEO thing either.