OT latest eBay shakeup

Pay upon pickup is still OK

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note the last paragraph under "Pay upon pickup" drivers license copy is probably a good idea, and a picture of the item loaded on the buyers truck. (get the plate in the picture)

Mailing a check/MO seems to be verbotin. One could always arrange to mail a payment and have the item shipped if the seller listed pick-up as an option. Seller could not go through ebay or paypal shipping though.....

Listed my surface grinder for sale a week ago, then found out any "machine" is a $25.00 fee. I will not list it again, most likely going to the scrap yard.

Thank You, Randy

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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:45:14 -0500, the infamous Pete Keillor scrawled the following:

I continue to find excellent buys at eBay in a vast array of niches: clothes, hardware, software, electronics, computer, books, music, woodworking, metalworking, etc., but I hate what they're becoming. Damn, how can they continue shooting themselves in the feet like that? They're -voluntarily- expunging millions of loyal customers. Maroons.

After hearing horror stories (nobody I know has ever had a problem with account freezes from them) about PayPal, I opened a separate free bank account specifically for PayPal. No problems in 6 years with that, either.

-- The only difference between a rut and a grave...is in their dimensions. -- Ellen Glasglow

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Larry Jaques

The rules and restrictions for selling are approaching the dumbfoundedness of the US tax code.

It's been said before that the direction eBay is choosing, is to be a huge membership of high volume power sellers, that in reality offer nothing but throw-away cheap crap, that I can get locally if I wanted it.

I do enjoy finding a lot of cool crap that the smaller sellers pick up at places I can't get to (an auction/liquidation across the country).

When the interesting stuff is gone because the smaller sellers are forced out, eBay will very likely become an online version of a Chinese city marketplace.

But then again (most of ?) American consumerism is about buying products that insure the job security of the waste management companies.

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Wild_Bill

It is OK to accept cash on pickup. What is NOT OK is refusing to take a paypal payment for pickup.

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Ignoramus21077

What amazes me is that they are breaking federal laws by saying that you cannot use any other payment methods. I'm surprised that it hasn't been taken to court yet.

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Steve W.

It's all essentially a big clusterfuck to increase eBay/PayPal's control and profits, IMO. There are some payment exceptions, and a couple of options.

They/It don't require buyers to have a (funds) balance sitting in a PayPal account, a buyer can use a credit card or a couple of other electronic traceable methods.

But then some sellers insist on Immediate Payment Required, which I mostly avoid, so I'm not sure what the specific time, or other requirements there are for those purchases.

A transfer of funds from a bank account to a PayPal account (no fee involved) takes about 4 days, which might be more secure than using a credit card over 'n over again, to make payments to strangers.

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Wild_Bill

I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Michael Koblic" wrote on Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:29:30 -0800 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

Dang. I've just moved, I'm unpacking books which have been in storage for years, books I've decided I don't really want. A couple series which are of the sort that have a loyal, but small, following. Advertising them "to the world" beats trying to hold a yard sale. But it looks like I'll just take them to local used book store, and save the hassle.

pyotr

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pyotr filipivich

I NEVER ever let anyone make a copy of my DL jk

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jk

I've never had a problem e-mailing a seller and asking if they would take a non-payscam payment, even when they list it as such. A few have ignored the request, and lost my business, but everyone else has said, "sure, no problem." I do send payment the day after the auction closes, and inform them of such, which reduces the amount of hassle they have to deal with.

It never hurts to ask.

Jon

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Jon Danniken

you can sell them at amazon

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Ignoramus21077

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:52:02 -0800, the infamous "Jon Danniken" scrawled the following:

I've asked before bidding, and many which say "No PayPal" will accept it when asked specifically. Occasionally, I've bid and then seen that they wanted a money order as payment. Most will accept Paypal or a check if asked, too, and they won't wait 10 days before shipping. My long eBay history helps, I'm sure.

-- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Larry Jaques

Not making payments by PayPal now, is one of the issues with the change.

If transactions are taking place with no electronic record of being paid (funds transfer), is likely that software can detect/track/monitor and alert for these conditions. I suspect this is why the changes were put into place, and/or at least what PayPal's intentions are (the detecting/tracking with software part).

It would be my guess that this exact situation is going to sneak up on sellers and buyers.

Even if sellers can get away with accepting other forms of payment, the seller will still be responsible for paying PayPal fees for the transaction. Here again, having a tranaction fee without a record of a funds transfer can very likely be detected/monitored by software.

I can see a bypass though, if the item doesn't sell at the end of the auction.. particularly if contact is established previously.

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Wild_Bill

Why? Is there a real potential problem, say if the copy is a B&W (like at a doctor's office), or just a personal preference, or just paranoia?

I am curious. I realize a good color copy might lead to an easy identity theft, but if the copy is a crappy reproduction, then what?

Joe

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Joe

If someone is all set up to produce plausible looking fake ID's including all the decals and holograms, all they really need is the data. Your data, their photo, and away they go... --Glenn Lyford

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glyford

I was watching to see if anyone commented on having a store, but haven't seen any replies.

At one time, the stores were free (or nearly), and recently, a friend had said they are fairly costly now. Fees in layers, essentially, which is another similarity to taxes.

Store items initially weren't included in general search results. Then store items were included in search results, and the fees started stacking up.

I haven't been selling in several years, and I'm not inclined to start, although I would have been selling all along if there weren't so many regularly added restrictions, rules (oh, policies) and fees.

My most outrageously profitable sales were items bought on, and later resold on eBay. I'm talking hilariously wild profits with buyers that were happy to get such a good deal (not deceiving suckers into buying crap). Fairly common items, not rare art/coins etc, and not dumpster recovery. Looking up information for descriptions (if needed), good pictures and detailed descriptions were a bit tedious at times, but not hard work (mouse keyboard stuff, sitting in a chair at a desk). I wasn't out working hard to find stuff.

I wasn't loose with word meanings or stretch/embelish/bullshit/lie about the condition of stuff, like many sellers do. I wasn't following any sales program or particularly talented, and didn't know anything that wasn't more-or-less common sense. I presented enough honest information so the buyer could know what to expect when they opened the box, without any disappointment (and sometimes a bonus of a couple extra items, which goes a long way toward having a happy buyer - added value, who doesn't appreciate that?).

I've been tellin folks for many years that the US is the land of surplus (has been, since at least the post-WWII era). Connect that supply to the most overindulgent buyers on earth, and see if you can loose money.

I wonder if most folks get more than 5% interest on their savings accounts. The rational expectation of 100-1000% anywhere, by legal means may seem idiotic, until it's experienced. I know $2 can become $30, $40, $400 and $50, $2000 fairly easily and fairly quickly (not having it sit in an eBay store for 3 months to years, waiting for someone desperate enough to pay a stupid price for it).

Ebay was an avenue to great potential for opportunity at one time, maybe something more reasonable will start up. Yahoo tried it for a while, I don't know how long it lasted. There are many other places to sell stuff online, but the sheer numbers of drooling, itchy buyers of eBay probably won't be matched for quite a while.

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Wild_Bill

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:53:36 -0500, the infamous "Wild_Bill" scrawled the following:

Yeah, I'm considering the $10/mo store (20 items at a time, max) and asked last week, but didn't see any replies, either.

eBay is saying "We're Gods. PAY UP!" To that notion, I say "UP YOURS!"

That's great.

It still is, but its value and utility are now greatly diminished. RIP, eBay.

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Larry Jaques

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