OT-Left Behind

On Apr 24, 11:15=A0am, "Ed Huntress"

It is not a capitalistic hell. The workers are not doing all that bad and are certainly better off than they were fifteen or twenty years ago. Back in the sixties, color tv's were trendy. Now workers all have cell phones, microwave ovens, and large flat panel TV's. Safer cars too. It is hard to think of anything that everyone needs that they do not have.

But the workers have not gotten more pay as a result of increased productivity. Because the workers are in general not more productive. From the thirties to the sixties, the workers did become more productive. Labor changed from mostly unskilled to skilled. Relatively a big change. Being a high school graduate was necessary for many more jobs. But more recently there has not been a big change in the skill level necessary to do jobs. At least in the United States. In third world counties labor is still changing from unskilled to skilled. So there is no reason why labor in the U.S. should be reaping the benefits of increased productivity.

And progressive taxation is not going to be the answer. The bottom half of of the people do not pay any income taxes now.

This is not an argument saying this is a good or bad thing. It is just a statement of how things are. Labor is not scarce, and the law of supply and demand is working.

Dan

Security.

.Relatively a big change. Being a high school graduate was necessary

What's "working" is the natural tendency of capital to acquire most of the benefits from the economy. Surely you've heard that real wages for labor have been stagnant for decades and that the incomes and assets have been filtering up to the top. Labor is on the run.

That's Social Darwinism and the natural tendency of capitalism. You either throttle it, or build a walled compound for yourself. And it's not clear how long the latter would last.

Yes, he's had 15 years learning the best way to get his job done the most productive way.

Yes, what he has learned to do now takes 1/4 the time to do it as when he started and has been given other duties that he's mastered.

Yes, because you can't find a replacement with 15 years with the company, anyone you hire is 15 years behind and, based on what I've seen lately, will never catch up.

I guess you haven't worked with people who take pride in doing a good job and finding ways to do it better.

I never said he should get raises just for longevity, but the raises he gets are a far smaller part of the increase in wealth than his contribution to the increase in productivity. Management pays itself, then makes capital investment and if anything is left, it trickles down to the employee. I feel sorry for you if you think employees are always replaceable and anyone you can hire for half the wage is going to be just as good as the experienced worker he replaced.

David

Your point is both wrong and irrelevant.

Sure let's pretend you are the only one with increased productivity.

Nevertheless, all that is completely irrelevant

You can funnel all the money you want to employers pockets but it aint going to help

They still can't sell their products and services

And your mistaken opinions aren't going to do anything to change that

They used to do precision resistance from each end and determine the break point.

It has been 40 years or so for me to hear the words - Varly / Yarly or something like that.

Mart>

Energize the cable with an insulation tester...say about 500 volts **DC** or less...to ground.

Take two probes with a sensitive voltmeter on each probe and jab them into the ground at arms lengths. Make sure you have insulated gloves or handles on them. You will find a voltage from one probe to the other on a DC scale. keep moving the probes toward where you think the fault is until the voltage reverses and then go back. Start with the probes really far apart and close in on the spot. When the voltage disappears in one particular spot you are bridging it.

Shut it off and get the shovels.

We had a guy that located a 120Vac fault in a street light cable with his balls once. He was right n the money too.

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They used to do precision resistance from each end and determine the break point.

It has been 40 years or so for me to hear the words - Varly / Yarly or something like that.

Mart>

"If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't know what I know now" - so if you had to do it all over, chances are very good you'd make all the same mistakes - or at least just as many!!

You need to present cogent arguments that show that I am wrong. Simply saying I am wrong is not much of an argument.

I am a little puzzled about why my point is irrelevant.

I did not say that I was the only one with increased productivity. But I was one of the ones with the most increased productivity, and also one of the ones that got higher raises.

Actually companies are selling their products and services.

Dan

I feel sorry for you if you think employees are always

In my experience it is better to pay above average wages and hire above average employees. One really good engineer is worth four or five average engineers. The same is true of other workers.

But I also believe that there is a big difference between 15 years experience and one year of experience repeated for 15 years.

Dan

Your claim is a diversion. It doesn't matter

irrelevant because it ignores reality. Whether workers measure up on your personal yardstick is irrelevant to why the economy is in the toilet

Not.

Production is well below capacity. If businesses were selling products and services there would not be so many people out of work

The shoe or car salesman would have his job back if people were buying shoes or cars the waitress would be serving meals if there weren't empty tables they would start up the 3rd shift at the widget factory if widgets were selling

etc. etc. etc.

As you say all that is completely irrelevant.

Dan

It's "Varley": .

If I recall from an old AT&T publication, the trick was to measure DC resistance to the short from both ends of the cable, plus end-to-end resistance of the wires, gathering enough information to solve for distance to the cross, despite not knowing the actual resistance of the cross (not all are zero ohms).

Joe Gwinn

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completely irrelevant.

Dan

Of course, I meant, If I could do it all over, _while still knowing what I know now_, I'd change a lot of stuff (like almost everything).

Like you said, if I went back and was rendered as stupid as I was then, there wouldn't really be much point to it, would there? :-)

Ever seen "The Butterfly Effect?"

Thanks, Rich

Florida has the highest number of lightning hits anywhere in the country, so they switched to gas a long time ago. At the same time they switched to the outdoor 'Network Interface' boxes. The gas discharge units last longer than the carbon.

I got a new VA doctor two months ago who doesn't want to you say anything, other than answer her questions. HTH are you supposed to trust a doctor like that?

If I can prove which cable is bad, they will replace it. Of course, it's a different crew for each of the two cables, and neither is part of the group that takes care of residential phone problems.

Any DC in the ground path can upset the calculations, too. BTDT, had to dig up more wire to find it. :(

Have you ever seen a troll that was relevant?