Rigger's nightmare

Palfinger and related type booms always fascinate me.

We have a grove TM12T, and I enjoy operationg it, but always err on the side of caution. When setting up on soft ground, I always build cribbing into pads that are 3 x 3 feet. Seeing the amount of list that one pic shows, the operator had to know this was inevitable.

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I agree. And the original pick was from to the front of the truck, so there was less load to the side. Once he had it up above the truck bed height, he started to swing it towards the flat bed at the back, and that extended the load more to the side, (perhaps augmented by the proposed slip of the sling) which toppled the truck and put the white car back in the drink.

Enjoy, DoN.

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But that is a different registration from "monkeyup.my-bulldog.com", which needs to be looked up under just the last part -- my-bulldog.com, which gives:

====================================================================== Registrant: Accessible Technologies Ltd 317 Lloyds court, 1 Goodmans Yard London, UK E1 8AT UK

Domain name: MY-BULLDOG.COM

Administrative Contact: Choucair, Najib snipped-for-privacy@accesst.com 317 Lloyds court, 1 Goodmans Yard London, UK E1 8AT UK 020 7953 1150

Registration Service Provider: PIPEX Communications Hosting Ltd, snipped-for-privacy@123-reg.co.uk +44.115-917-0000

This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 24-Nov-2003. Record expires on 23-Apr-2005. Record created on 23-Apr-2003. ======================================================================

There is another "monkeyup.com" which is in:

====================================================================== Registrant: Javier Martinez 3270 Ellendale Montreal, Quebec H3S 1w5 CA

Domain name: MONKEYUP.COM ======================================================================

Which has a :

"we provide multimedia/entertainment for your eye's"

message as its front page. (Yes, it really says "eye's" instead of "eyes". :-)

Enjoy, DoN.

Now, is it me, or is the front left tire of the truck already off the ground, or very nearly so? That would be the front left if you were sitting in the truck. I think that would be a red flag.

To me, at least.

Steve

And the second pic shows clearly the tire either about to come off the ground, or already in the air.

Stve

Look picture to picture and see if you think those people who were standing in the way of the truck went in the water. There is a guy in a tan shirt, a blue jacket, and a red jacket that I don't see in the after picture.

I have hoisted a bunch of stuff, and it always amazes me at the absolutely stupid places people will stand while you are doing it. Even those with some experience in the field.

Steve

If you blow it up, and find the figure who was closest to being pinned by the rolling truck, the gent in the coveralls and red shirt, he goes from being front and center looking at the hood of the car, to way back behind the falling truck.

That took time. He had to run around the truck. It didn't overturn that fast.

That reminds me of when we were having a cess pool blasted out. The blaster suggested we hide behind the truck with him and his assistant, so we did. Then my friend decides he's going to stand where he could see the blast from what he considered was a safe distance, the side of the truck. He was fine, but it would only take one little sliver of rock to get past the chained together tires, they covered the blast with, to ruin your day. Karl

Naah, that's not it. Look at the fourth picture. See that dog on the right? He was on the truck during the hoist . When he jumped off to have a sniff around he unbalanced the whole thing and over she went. Look at him standing there wagging his tail like nothing happened. Looks like the guy in the red & black jacket is going over to kick his ass.

We had a chinaball tree taken down. Those have zillions of marble sized hard balls on them. They had one of those huge chippers on the back of the truck. There were about three men standing forward of the centerline when they tossed in the first branch with chinaballs on them. ZING .................... they went shooting like buckshot even though they had it fed into a hopper. They all ducked and ran, all of them being hit by balls at high velocity. They all stood behind the truck for the next salvo.

I was picking up chinaballs for weeks all around the cul-de-sac.

Funny how fast people move sometimes.

Steve

Oh, what a wonderful thread this is turning out to be

my question is dealing with the amount of twist in the first truck. While it has been noted that the front right wheel is almost off the ground in earlier photos, where it is flying off the quay the rear end is not in the same plane as the front wheels. Did a rear outrigger collapse or puncture through the ground? If so, why can I not find any shoring or other platforms being used? Especially with the green unit, after the first trouble? The twist seems to be entirely gone (well as much as I can discern) after the water bath, so it evidently was not to the plastic limit of twist! Oh, and we know how the truck got into the water, how did the car get there? From the dents on the front of the hood and the roof, it appears as though it drove forward into the drink. Front glass is broken when being picked up the the smaller rigger. If so, did it then rotate backward, to engine first and sink, resting finally on it's tires? If not, when would it have been righted? Just wondering Bert

The first truck did not have outriggers

Couldn't this mess have been avoided by *backing* the first crane to the wall, then reaching rearwards?

Yes, I agree the car is parts. No way you risk your livelihood on pulling trash from the water. Maybe he didn't let it drain well as it passed the interface....

I would have *loved* to see the second crane go dunkers....

I remember once I had to get my cab hauled when I dropped a little old lady near to her door on an icy hill in Herndon. No matter what I did, I crept downslope so at some point I braked it and radioed in before I went over the embankement turtle fashion. Of course, I don't drive for *them* any more.

Saved the cab, though...

Those were the days. Money changed hands every day. Drops in a bucket.

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Look again at the pic where the truck is upside down. It's clearly silhouetted against the gushing deisel fuel. Also in the pic before it tips over the outrigger is planted on the seawall.

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Do you think that truck will work any more? Were was that??

If it was freshwater and there was no structural failures in the engine, just drying it out and purging the fuel system should get it going.

If if was saltwater, I would think that it would never be the same. You'd have to wash everything in freshwater first then carefully dry it out. I would suspect it would be plagued with electrical problems for the rest of it's life.

Of course, if the water ingestion bent rods or cracked the head or damaged the mains, all bets are off as well.

Hey Mike,

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:33:30 -0500, Mike Patterson wrote:

If you say so, but it looks more like water than diesel to me

Again if you say so, but I can see no indication of out-riggers. I do see a series of what I would call "stanchions" spaced along both that sea-wall and the one perpendicular, and possibly used as bull-heads for the marine vessels to tie-up to. The one closest to the truck, mid-way along the sea-wall, sure looks like an out-rigger at first glance, but seeing the others makes me think not. Besides, it is still there after the truck flips in. And surely if the vehicle had outriggers, they would have been deployed, if for no other reason than to keep the truck "level" on the sloping grade before even starting work.

Another thing that hasn't been discussed is that in the first pix, the white car is upside down in the water, and I assume laying hard aground. Sometime between that and pix 2, the car is righted. It is hard to tell in pix 2 and 3 whether the roof was damaged from the initial fall into the water, or whether the piss poor slinging/rigging (with-out a spreader) is crushing the roof panel causing the strange looking "widows peak" appearance of the front of the roof above the windshield. I tried very hard to "see" the roof condition towards the area near the hatch-back in these early photos, but it is inconclusive to me as to whether or not it has sustained much damage (which bears on my argument later).

It also seems to me that this first "recovery vehicle" does not have a winch. (Even on the second truck, the winch is "boom mounted"). That means that all the work has to be done at "sling length" and using the end of the boom. I suspect that the guy in the Zodiac hooked the sling around one of the visible wheels and they first "rolled" the car over, allowing the sling to then be placed around the roof. This would also put the truck "out of position" for the events following. I think that as the car was lifted clear of the water, the truck was right at it's limit. Note the terrific twisting of the frame. And I suspect that as the car got to near level with the dock, the operator tried to "swing" the boom to get the car on the back deck. Due to the truck not being level, ANY traverse motion, or worse yet, quick stopping of the traverse motion, will put enormous side loads on the boom and truck, and I suggest that this is what caused the truck to "tip-over". I think that as the whole thing went over, the car went into the water up-right, with the boom end coming down on the roof near the rear hatch-back, and then as the car stopped its descent and the truck continued, there would have been a rapid re-orientation and alignment of the twisted frame, causing the truck to spin and to literally do an action that is a cross or combination between a high-jump and a pole-vault, right into the sea. Just the motion of the now unfettered rear deck would have been a sight to get on slow-motion camera!!

The real question to me is how the guy got a license, and how there were no on-lookers swept over with it. Even with the second truck about the only safe guy there is the cop!!

Take care.

Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario.

WTF is there

All I get is what looks like a foreign language 404 on your URL or the source.

OOPS