With marbles, you can be reasonably accurate out to 50 yards with
practice. Not paper-punching accurate, but send-the-dog-a-message
accurate. If you were once accurate with one, it will come back quickly.
Around here, there's been close to some Hatfield/McCoy level feuds over
animals killing/mauling livestock, and the shooting of guilty dogs.
Mostly the problem stems from city folk that think dogs have a God given
right to roam the countryside, and refuse to accept Fifi might still
have some vestiges of feral hunting instincts.
Had a neighbor's dog come almost into my garage years ago and give me
attitude like I was on his turf. I told the neighbor, next time he does
that, the dog dies right there on the spot. Had no more problems after
that. But, it's a lot tougher when the dog owner is a friend...
It should be noted that I once killed a 175lb white tail buck with a
Wrist Rocket, using ball bearings at a range of about 30 feet.
Smacked a 1/2" steel ball into the side of his skull just behind the eye
socket and he was dead before he hit the ground. And dug the bearing out
of the far side of his brain pan.
Go with as small a marble as you can and try not to shoot them in the
head..or in the body under 20 feet or less
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:13:22 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
If the dog is a lab, he'd think that was almost as much fun as getting
buried by the snow blower and want to play every day.
Not to me.
Risk of stray salt crystals hitting eyes would deter me from that. I
wouldn't want to injure a dog. I'd want to either drop it DRT (dead
right there) if it needs to be destroyed, else cause it enough
discomfort to modify its behavior without injuring it.
I would never have thought that a basset hound could pass a Cessna,
but when I tagged one that was spraying my shrubs with a marble he was
outta there like an RPG. I was aiming for his rear haunch, hit him in
the balls. ZOW!
We had a dog problem with a neighbor at the lake this summer. They'd
go away somewhere (probably to work) but leave the dogs out and they'd
bark incessantly all damned day. That really got to be tedious. So
when I saw them out sitting on the porch on Saturday, I mosied over,
said hi, then started to tell them a story:
"I had a dog once that I was very fond of who, at about age 5,
suddenly developed the habit of barking all damned day. Someone
called the cops rather than saying anything to me personally and the
cops said I'd need to correct that problem immediately. I understood
that; the dog was being a goddamned nuisance and I'd feel the same
Mary broke Charlie of that barking habit in about 4 hours. I'll skip
the details of her very creative and effective solution.
I thought you might like to know that Harley (the dog at the lake) has
been a goddamned nuisance lately when you've been gone, and we'd sure
appreciate it if you'd do something about that."
That worked. They did. Problem solved. That wouldn't work with a
neighbor that is a determined asshole, but these young folks aren't
that way at all and I don't think Karl's neighbor is either.
Karl knows that in rural MN there are no leash or noise nuisance
ordinances. The sheriff, off the record, would tell you that if a dog
is a nuisance then shoot it, bury it and don't mention it. But
that's not a viable course with a neighbor you get along with and
would like to continue getting along with.
I'm not making up the bit about the sheriff. Our friend Becky had a
bunch of kids at her lake place in Aitkin County, a neighbor's dog was
loose and scaring the crap out of the children. Becky went over and
asked the neighbor to restrain his dog at least for that day. He told
her to go to hell. She called the sheriff. The sheriff said there's
no law being broken so there's nothing he could do. Becky is not
easily put off so she told the sheriff that the situation was
unacceptable, what should she do? The sheriff said it wasn't his
place to advise her on what she should do, but if were him he'd shoot
the damned dog.
So Becky grabbed the .357 Magnum she keeps in her bedroom, went over
to the neighbor's with the gun in her hand pointed at the ground, and
asked him if he might reconsider restraining the dog for the
By golly, he did!
If it was me, I'd put the kittens in a protected place and put the
onus on the neighbor. Let them figure out the solution, it's their
dog. I'd hate to have a good neighbor turn into a bad one because I
accidently killed their kids dog. I'd tell them that too. Close
friends would understand that sentiment.
There are a lot of specialty 12-ga loads like beanbags, and some that
just put out a LOT of shock and blast. One of those might be useful.
Years ago a friend of mine lived in a mostly rural development, nice
homes on 2acres or more. He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him. They would run to meet him when they saw his truck coming home.
New neighbor (police officer at nearby Large City) moved nearby,
with two very expensive purebred dogs, some large breed. He let them run
free, and they developed a taste for my friend's chickens. One morning
he saw both dogs in his yard, each with a dead hen in his mouth. He
grabbed his 30-30 and dropped both dogs with one (lucky) shot. Loaded
the dogs in his pickup, drove to owner's driveway. As owner came out, my
friend dragged the dogs out onto the drive, said "Here's your F---ing
dogs. you owe me $XX.XX for the poultry they killed.
They neighbor said nothing, and paid up.
In Texas, dogs that destroy property become fertilizer.
I'd get a paintball gun. On full auto you could spray a burst well in
front of him to get him scurrying away from you to avoid putting out
an eye and then once he turns tail nail him in the hind quarters to
your hearts content.
How about a chain for the dog?
On the other hand....rock salt may do the job..IF you see him coming and
nail him the moment he hits the yard. And aim at the ass end ..rock salt
will blind any critter you hit in the face with it.
Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.
It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)
And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time
It would appear that the invisible fence is not set up high enough. At
this point..Id set up his collar to knock his dick in the dirt.
Thanks for the added suggestions. Gives me a couple options to ask the
neighbor to get. i need to think a couple days on how to ask polite
I did order a wrist rocket. The nieghbor put the dog on a chain, for
now. I know it will be released as it really suffers being chained.
No dog "suffers" from being chained unless he is chained in a dangerous
spot such as in full sun and away from water.
He may not like it very much, but thats not your problem.
Most folks let the dog out on the chain for a bit, let em shit and piss,
then bring em back into the house.
Now the dog may not LIKE being chained..but..shrug..again thats not your
My little girl gets excited when she sees me with the snap of her
chain in my hand because it means she gets to lay with her tummy on
the cool grass and watch me do yard work or some other interesting
thing, or maybe even toss her Frisbee (plastic ice cream tub lid)
around for her to bark at.
Except for the duration suggested, this is the most humane, and also the
most effective method. Since OP is willing to work with the neighbor, there
shouldn't be any problem in implementing it, either.
I will add that the dog likely doesn't need to be shocked for 30 seconds, as
a few seconds of pain achieves the same result, especially when coupled with
with a stern verbal reinforcement from the owner.
I strongly doubt that the owner would go along with this. I sure as
Dogs respond much better to the carrot than to the stick though some
stick is sometimes necessary. Some breeds are nearly oblivious to
pain, labs being a notable example, but if shown stick and reward in
quick succession they figure that out quickly enough.
Example: say "come" softly, pull on leash. Praise upon arrival.
Repeat. After some of that, take off leash. Say "come" softly. If
dog responds, praise lavishly. The first time he does not respond,
replace leash, say "come" softly and damned near yank his head off --
then praise lavishly upon arrival.
Training a dog by shouting is foolish. Dogs hear just fine, and
quickly learn to ignore all but shouted commands when shouting is the
demonstrated form of emphasis.
Excessive use of pain as a motivator can ruin what might otherwise
have been a good dog. When they get surly and sneaky, they're ruined
and may as well be put down sooner than later.
Some dogs just aren't worth a shit from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
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