I do not know what then. I find that sort of progress to be
inevitable, but dusturbing. I am convinced that, unlike in the past,
computers can replace people permanently. As the ability of computers
progresses, they can replace more and more people.
On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:58:56 -0500, Ignoramus27947
Under old economic theories, this was not a problem. The work week
would just keep getting shorter.
Today people call that "socialism," even though it has nothing to do
with government ownership.
It's a vexing issue that I'm sure some of the denizens here have all
figured out. d8-)
Why do a business want to employ a "no longer economically useful
worker" for reduced hours?
It is a vexing issue that I have not figured out, except for a
determination to be ireplaceable by computers, for me and for my
On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:13:45 -0500, Ignoramus27947
The idea was based on historical experience with incremental advances
in production technology. In most cases, it just meant that one worker
could produce more. Now it often means that you don't need a worker at
all. For that, one needs a new theory.
Exactly. And "more education" and "job retraining" is often not the
answer. Let's say that you have a person of modest abilities, who was
replaced by a computer. Even though you could teach that person a new
skill, you could teach a computer a new skill as well, so the computer
I do not have any solutions, but I do have apprehension.
On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:13:45 -0500, Ignoramus27947
You found a niche that you fit into. Those niches are getting to be
smaller and smaller in numbers.
Which is why so many of my clients have retired out of California,
taking a few machines with them to their new digs in Aridzona and
Idaho and making high dollar custom medical parts and gun parts
working in a small home shop on their acreage and sleeping well every
night..because when they sold out in California..they made enough
money to pay cash for everything when they moved and have money in the
I wish my niche hadnt started to fold...Im pretty good at what I do.
On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 21:04:31 -0500, Ignoramus27947
Ayup. Same with farmers, boot makers, doctors etc etc.
Once they get snugged into their niche...the others are second place
No..there certainly isnt. And its NOT going to get any better any
time soon. The Left has cut the foundation from under this nation and
the already tottering structure is about ready to collapse.
One hopes you have enough land to grow crops on..you may need it
On Sunday, September 1, 2013 10:04:31 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus27947 wrote:
This discussion has been about wages, and finding good jobs is getting more
and more dificult. Computers eliminate jobs in two ways. One is where th
e computer does the work that used to be done by a human. The other is whe
re the computer increases the productivity. An example of this is the Draf
tman. A draftman is now much more productive than when drawings were made o
n vellum using ink. I have no good solution for finding good jobs, except
to say that one needs to constantly work at staying current in your field.
I had a lot of experience with that as the estimate is that half of what a
n electrical engineer knows is obsolete every seven years. So I had to con
stantly learn in order not to become obsolete.
But wages are only part of getting by. The other part is saving and invest
ing. Pretty much all my working life, I spent less then what I made and in
vested that money. So now I have been retired for fifteen years and the l
argest part of my income comes not from pensions or Social Security. But f
rom dividends and the " Required Minimum Distributions " from my IRA's. So
my solution to starvation wages is income not based on wages.
Now for the metalworking part of this post. I managed to disassemble my Mi
ll/Drill into pieces I could cope with and move the parts down the stairs t
o the basement. Still need to beef up the stand and move it to the baseme
nt. The garage is just too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer.
In surfing the net, I found this website that has both electronics and meta
lworking info. http://conradhoffman.com/
Very nice. I save too. And I was, so far, moderately lucky with my
choice of what to invest in and, more importantly, what not to invest
However, I have seen enough to realize that a couple of instances of
"bad luck" can ruin everything when it comes to savings. For example,
a divorce and a health trouble.
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:49:24 -0500, Ignoramus30897
Ditto. My parents encouraged me to read and nurtured my innate
curiosity, while passing on their excellent sense of right and wrong.
I'm a much better person for it and I thank them for it repeatedly.
I did have some financial help through the years ($500 here, $1k
there) and they let me buy their rental house from them at zero
It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails,
admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
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