Starvation Wages

Yes, that is about a $200 boat. Is there a sail with it? Have you priced a new sail for it yet :-)
A thousand for a 42' Morgan isn't a good deal it is outright theft.
But I'd guess that he spent a bit more before he set out across the briny. Most people will replace a bunch of rigging, maybe some new sails, probably an extra anchor or two....
I wonder whether your mate knew that the gun in the hidden locker would rate the death sentence in places like Singapore or Malaysia?
>Are there boats on that Yahoo group that need a lot of work? Yes there >are. Are there boats on that Yahoo group that need the furniture >polished only? Yes there are. Id snag the first one..but I dont have >the money for monthly slip fees and will have to stay with a >trailerable swing keel boat. Im looking at a Venture 17 along with a >Contender...both for a grand total of $400 and include (1) trailer. >The Venture 17 needs 1.5 sheets of 3/8 marine plywood to refit the >cabin..and the Contender needs (1) sail ($125) > >
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> >Venture 17 cabin restoration > >
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> >And of course..the Sail Rocket...65.45 knots in 25 knots of wind.. >74.55 mph > >http://www.youtube.cthe cardinal number that is the sum of one and one and oneom/watch?v=sZVIj5TUSKE > > > > > > >"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. > Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic >problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. >The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more >than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, >and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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John B.
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The Lon Gisland text says "Free 20' Marieholm sailboat! The boat is in very good condition and handles well - especially in rough weather."
No doubt Ig was thinking about most free stuff in general and probably didn't follow the ads.
BTW, Ig, what's the price of 10x FREE?
(Yeah, I know. Sometimes it _does_ cost more to do a refurb than to buy brand new. DAMHIKT)
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Larry Jaques
Some...some boats are a hole in the water you throw money into. But...Sailboats tend to cost less in many instances and the smaller ones dont cost much at all.
Gunner
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
Sail or power?
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
In addition to the previous picture...
It was a very fun boat. Even though it was very heavy, it could go 35 MPH in water, it had a nice Mercruiser 302 inboard/outboard etc.
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Ignoramus3628
I rather think you would enjoy learning to sail. Ever been on a sailboat before? Its very mental and far far from "brute force"
Gunner
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
Nice boat..but that indeed...is a hole in the water you throw money into.
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I dont have a clue where you live..but sailing is quite popular in your state..and since you live on the Great Lakes...or close to them...
You can purchase a sailboat for less than $1000 that will allow you and your family to sail the entire Great Lakes on less than 1 tank of gas. Or you can buy a small one and take the kids out for an afternoon or day on a small local lake and actually teach them the art of sailing and all can have a good time.
If you have any interest..Id be happy to find you a group of boats in your area you can go look at ..for very little money.
I would strongly..strongly suggest taking one of the sailing classes..most are free or very minimal cost and you can bring the entire family.
One that just showed up..
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Start off small with a 20' trailer sailer for free or very little money and learn. You live in a state where there is great water to play on.
I rather suspect you will enjoy the hell out of it.
Gunner
Gunner
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
That looks a whole lot like my buddy's old boat. We took it to Lake Havasu and rode it up the Colorado River to Laughlin, then floated down. About halfway back, it got dark and we were between vertical cliffs of rock about 100' tall. We found a small beach and tied the anchor around a very small tree, then we folded down the seats and went to sleep after a cold dinner. About 5am, we woke up to a rocking motion. Sure enough, they had let the dam out some overnight and the level of the river had taken us off the beach. We got the anchor off without having to dive for it, Bob having camped there before. No wonder they say "No overnight camping on the river." That was great: the quietest and darkest place I've ever been on Earth. No moon, no city lights, only starlight, and that was clear but dim. (Space is quieter, but we won't go there. ;)
Anyway, those are OK boats...for a family man.
What are you after nowadays, Ig? I know your boys are gonna want SOMETHING FAST! Will Wifey overrule that?
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Larry Jaques
Thats why I suggest sailboats and smaller ones..less than 26'...and smaller for a first time buyer. Something you can trailer and not have to pay slip or storage fees particularly over the winter in snow states.
Shrug..we sail all year around here and lots of fun in the winter months when the winds start blowing..but its different all over the US
Sailboats usally have a small outboard on them for docking and marina travel..but of all the boats above rowboat size..they can be the cheapest to own and operate.
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
35 mph? Thats pretty damned slow for a power boat.
"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)
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Gunner Asch
If that is indeed Iggy's model, that's a Celebrity Crownline deep-V. Deep-V hulls require a lot of power to go fast but they ride smooth.
A true deep-V is 20 degrees at the transom, but the Crownline was probably less than that. Still, those straked V hulls need a lot of power.
They were popular out here until fuel prices took off. They use a *lot* of gas.
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Ed Huntress
It sort of depends on how much fuel you want to burn. The long distance trawler yacht guys are burning about 1.5 gal./hour at 6.5 - 7 K. About 150 mile days.
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John B.
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