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Provided they don't pay with a credit card you shouldn't be charged anything. Make sure your account is set up as a personal one as if you ever opt to accept a credit card payment it gets turned into a business one :(

If you have a premiere account you pay 3.4% +20p regardless of how the buyer pays. They can't charge more for credit card than other methods as they want to claim "When you accept a PayPal payment, you are accepting e-money. You are not accepting a debit or credit card payment" which suits them very well because E-money is practically unregulated compared to credit cards.

The only way to avoid the charge is to have a personal account in which case the buyer can't pay by either credit OR debit card, something that rather limits your customer base. The vast majority are on a premier account, as shown by the little pictures of cards over the paypal logo, in fact you'll have a hard time finding anyone who has a personal paypal account because of the sly way they sign you up. If I recall they just ask if you want to receive credit cards, like a lemming you say yes and that's it, you've lost your chance to avoid the fees. I don't know if you can convert back but I bet they make it damned hard!.

Greg

With a personal account the seller can not use a debit card, only bank transfer, though what their justification is I don't know.

Greg

Well they shouldn't be, see the links below, do you really have a personal account?

The auctions I go to, mostly the machinery sales at York, have no buyer's premium only the seller pays, of course you do have to add VAT if the seller is VAT registered but that's the thieving bastards in the government charging VAT repeatedly on the same item each time it's sold !.

If you add up the seller's fees to Ebay and Paypal you get to around the same mark as a real auction, but of course it isn't an auction at all, at least I've never been to an auction where the auctioner drops the hammer at a pre-determined time regardless of who still wishes to bid!.

Very true, and Ebay has opened up a whole new world of personal buying and selling to those who would never dream of getting involved in what they see as the rather frightening world of auctions, I just wish they had real competition.

Greg

Yep!

It looks like I do have a premiere account so must have accepted payment from credit cards. As said it broadens the market and sould give the buyer some protection so a bit of safety, maybe not much.

Two things that are a cert in life taxes and death, acceptance leads to fewer heart attacks, no one offers a service for free there is always some payment

Cheers

Adrian

p.s. the track seems some way off shill bidding!

Mention Ebay and it'll always get to charges, guaranteed 8-)

Greg

someone mentioned paying with credit card and paypal and protection?

you have none :(

credit card company's class paypal as a third person, and under (im with the hsbc) there rules you are not covered, and the best you can get from paypal is a refund less any delivery charges?!?!?

so what does paypal do with your money??

greg , off topic slightly i know but .... when are the machinery sale

at york ? i want to go to one but last time i went , it seemed to b livestock ! i'm getting fed up with e-bay , i was outbid on tw different items on sunday , my dial up connection isn't fast enough a the end of the auction so i only win if i bid a daft amount ....

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Whatever you bid, you will win the item if yours is the highest bid when the auction finishes.

Even with dial-up, you can achieve what you want by timimg the page refresh and working out exactly where the auction end falls on your clock/watch dial. We did this for years before we got broadband with great success, but you still have to bid the highest amount, that cannot change.

Most serious bidders wait until the last minute to save people attacking their bid and it also stops the price getting too inflated before the end.

OTOH I picked up a nice little Coventry Gauge Slip set in Tungsten carbide for £6.50 plus postage last week, so the occasional bargain does come up. I think bidding during World Cup matches is good.... :-))

Peter

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You can get some bargains with people charging high postage. I bought a Nitro RC Car off ebay for a song, the seller was charging £50 postage on the item. Nobody bid on it except me, almost certainly because of the high postage charge. When I went round to get it with the cash in my hand I was quite happy. :o) As it turned out he was a nice guy, I expect he is probably more realisitic with postage these days.

Excellent!

Regards, Tony

Nothing to do with me. Mark

You also get the gits that won't let you collect and use the postage as a means of avoiding ebay fees which are based on the auction close price only. A place (operating from a private address) that regularly sells engine parts and complete engines is one I recall, always inflated postage prices and absolutely no possibility of collection even if you are just round the corner.

The next one is 5/7/06 and there's a special sale of vintage and bygone machinery on 2/8/06 though I've only been to the 'standard' ones, their web site is here:

If you register on the site you can download a catalogue a few days before the sale, with about 5000 lots it does help a bit if you go through it first!. For some of the auctions you need a buyers card, easily obtained by phoning them and giving your details, oh and get there early, although the first auction starts at 10:00 you will have a real problem parking a car after 9:00 and a trailer after 8:30 unless you've got a proper 4x4 because the overflow field can be a bit wet 8-).

Greg

Or just use a sniping service, I can recommend

Greg

It seems to have worked on this occasion, and 7216karl is no longer a registered user of e-bay. I can only assume that they have terminated his account and can't help feeling a bit of sympathy for any other people he may have conned.

Peter

Yes, there are some good ones around, but I do try and be in at the end, if nothing else to see how the last-minute bids go :-))

Peter

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cheers for that greg , handy that for me as i live in york

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The problem with this system of complaint is that they give you no opportunity to explain why you consider the listing to be wrong (if you follow the link to its conclusion you will see what I mean). I have used it several times, the last time being when I did a search for some Myford parts/tools. My search for 'Myford 7' bought up 100's of non-Myford related items (like MT5 tapered tooling, files, you name it, if it was engineering related it had 'Myford added to the title). I tried to report the items that could not possibly be used with a Myford (INT40 boring head for example) but as the complaints system has no facility to add details of your grievance, I could not explain what the problem was. Your average eBay muppet employee obviously will not understand why an INT40 boring head cannot (or at least would not normally) be used with a Myford lathe. Maybe I'm too picky but it p****d me off enough to try to complain and then p****d me off more when they did nothing about it!

I tried again this evening on an item listed as 'Stationary engine tractor blackstone' when the items were neither tractors or Blackstone engines, but again, could not explain what I considered the problem to be - most frustrating!

BTW, I'm not really Mr angry who complains about everything, but there are some things that annoy me and badly worded titles fit into that category!

Mark

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