Part P petition

On or around 23 Jan 2007 10:04:13 -0800, "mark" enlightened us thusly:

The new-colour wiring was not available before the new regulations. any new-colour wiring must therefore have been installed afterwards.

Or red and black heatshrink tubing ;)

But the old cable has not evaporated after the new regulations - I will get round to finishing the extension to the house wiring sometime and have all the wire and boxes already :)

For some reason red and black T&E cable seems very popular on ebay, can't think why ;-) Martin

I am only rated at city and guilds level and did appliance repair

washers, microwaves etc but one of the things i could never come t terms with was the customers attitude. I remeber one call out to a oven problem, i pulled the oven out from its housing and sat it on th floor. I looked at the wiring which was cloth covered and connected b a chocky block, i told the lady of the house that most times whe looking at the morning news, (a family had died due to an electrica fault), i walked out of the house, anyone would, the last thing yo want is your name associated with that sort of job. Did i get the job never heard from them since, Dav

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I suspect you could also have problems with an insurance claim.

Nothing new there then. Anybody NOT have problems with household insurance claims :)

I moved back to blighty in May 04 and got my house in July 04. I had to convert the garage into a workshop. I ordered all the necessary cable from Screwfix in August and it was all had the new spec. colours. So if anyone asks I did all the work before 31 Dec 04 and no one can prove others wise as I have receipts for the materials prior to the cut off date.

Brian

Yes I'm here, chuckling at the same old stuff, there are similar threads all over usenet thanks to that childish petition. On other threads people have noticed that the petition takes a single fact, that the number of fatalities related to installations AND appliances has doubled, and takes it completely out of context to assert that these fatalities are due to part P. Of course the flood of cheap crap appliances from China has nothing to do with it 8-).

Just to correct some nonesence being talked in this thread, there is nothing what so ever to ban a diyer wiring their own house, so long as they submit it to the building regs department and pay them their fee for the inspections it's still perfectly legal.

Anyone who really believes they are competent can do just this and it will be cheaper than employing a sparky for a big job. Of course if they get it wrong, fail the inspections and have to rework and pay again it may cost them dear, but so many people are so confident they know what they're doing that that won't be a problem, or will it...

Also people conviniently forget than many small jobs, and some not so small, are not notifiable to building regs so there's nothing stopping people just doing them. You're supposed to fill in a minor works form, which is readily available, but in reality few bother. Greg

On 23 Jan, 22:56, "Martin Whybrow" wrote: Regards,

Because many sparkies were so out of touch with changes in legislation that they were left with stocks they couldn't use? Greg

ebay, can't

legislation

Naive or what !

Prices are now well above original list in some cases

AWEM

Yes it was - the new cable was required 6 months before Part P came in and was available before then.

On or around Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:22:08 +0000, Roger Smith enlightened us thusly:

I'm waiting for a thing that says I can't repair me own motors, without taking to be inspected at ruinous expense.

I'm all in favour of safety, just that I don't think the Prat P regulations are doing much to improve it.

as with most recent legislation, the underlying idea is good, but the implementation is a pile of crap.

On or around Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:00:49 +0000, Tony Jeffree enlightened us thusly:

I've got a big reel of 2.5 T&E in the shed, as it happens.

On or around Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:29:18 +0000, Charles Lamont enlightened us thusly:

there again, this house has never been inspected. There's wiring all over the damned place, I think all that's currently in use is modern PVC insulation, but there's no easy way of telling.

Now, I could get an electrician to come and do a megger test on it. But that's about all - there's no way short of pulling up all the first floor floorboards of inspecting the actual wiring.

so here's exactly what's wrong with the regulations - the biggest risks are not wiring that I, who know what I'm doing, install, but the old rubber-and-cloth insulated stuff that was installed in places 50 years ago and is still in use. I did some work (pre-part-P) in a friend's house: found some wiring in there with lead sheathing on the outside of it, and lots of it was some sort of plastic-insulated (not like modern plastic stuff though) twin conductor with no earth, and separate earth wires.

Now that sort of wiring is much more likely to give problems than anything other than plain stupidity with modern materials. Obviously, there are stupid people out there - but there are a lot more of those old installations which have never been checked.

In me grandmother's previous house, I found a twisted pair wire leading from a ceiling rose to a lampholder. This was originally cloth-covered rubber insulated, but the insulation had all gone, leaving 2 bare wires looking like a DNA double-helix. It still worked.

On or around Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:45:14 +0000, David Littlewood enlightened us thusly:

I believe you're allowed to replace sockets and suchlike anyway. I think tis only new wiring or rewiring that falls under the part P thing.

This is very interesting, Greg, but as a matter of fundamental principle I just don't think Big Brother should have any right to control what I do in my own home. I understand all the arguments about the risk that someone might injure or kill themselves or members of their household, or a later buyer of the house, but it doesn't wash. If protecting people from their own stupidity involves state restrictions in this way, then I deplore it and will vote against any politician who supports such measures. (Note that "own stupidity" would include buying a house without a thorough wiring test.)

I think we need a whole lot less government.

David

You obviously had lessons from my Grandad - he had a 13 amp socket wired one phase to each pin...

The house I grew up in had three phase terminated in the garage but only one phase taken into the house.

Steve

In message , David Littlewood wrote

I don't want to see people protected from their own stupidity(1), I want to see people protected from somebody else's stupidity. The number of homes that could burn down without damaging the nearest neighbour is in the minority.

(1) As long as they don't expect me to pay for them to be patched up etc. afterwards.