BATFe letter 5-2005

Anyone else get a letter last week about the ATF knowing you'd bought some items which could potentially be used/abused?
Letter was pretty vague except to say my name had come up during an inspection of some shop and how misuse of items like flash powder and ignition systems could be (and has been) prosecuted under relevent sections of homeland security statutes.
The only thing I can think of buying is reloads for Aerotech motors (24 and 29mm RMS) and some firefox electric matches some years ago.
Something doesn't compute.
Time to buy hybrids?
-nb socialist occupied Maryland
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scan and post it ...probably the firefox electric matches ..
shockie B)
ps its fascism not socialism.

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it is some kind of "ism" that is all that is important!

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The CPSC has been cracking down on illegal M80 type fireworks manufacturers. Some time ago, they raided a facility and found some stuff labelled from firefox. Seems everyone who has ordered from Firefox and now Skylighter has recieved said letters. The CPSC is currently doing to pyrotechnics hobbyists what the ATF is doing to rocketry.
Ben
PS- Check the rec.pyrotechnics archives, or skylighter's newsletter archives to see the whole story.
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Actually, was thinking after I just posted. Was it directly from BATFE or from the DOJ?
This is the DOJ letter people have been recieving... http://www.scdesigns.org/DEPTOFJUSTICE.html
Also lifting this from rec.pyrotechnics...
It seems these are the people responsible for the letters: Office of Consumer Litigation
NATIONAL PLACE BUILDING Mailing address: 1331 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, N.W. P.O. Box 386 Suite 950 North Washington, D.C. 20044 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20004
FAX: 202-514-8742
THIROLF, EUGENE, Director -Oversees all activities of the office, including supervising FDCA prosecutions (except as noted below), and tobacco/cigarette matters.
JOST, KENNETH, Assistant Director -Oversees odometer fraud prosecutions; FDCA "food fraud" (substitution of ingredients cheaper than on label) cases; FTC matters.
LAHAIE, HENRY, Assistant Director -Oversees FDCA animal drug (smuggling and illegal manufacture and distribution of drugs for food-producing animals) prosecutions; CPSC matters.
Ben
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Big Brother looking out for our safety.....Ha Ha Ha......why then were foreign nationals running the security check points on Sept. 11th? When they can answer this one question with any form of honesty and directness maybe I can listen, not really believe but at least listen to them.

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nitram578 wrote:

Is a "foreign national" automatically suspect? Are you suggesting some specific collusion?
The folks from other countries that I've met would be just as willing to respond to an apparent security threat as anyone from the US... this focus on "US vs. everyone else" has led to circumstances such as the one where avalanche- safety experts, who specialize in using explosives to dislodge potentially-dangerous snow accumulations, are now (as 'nonresident-aliens': they're from places like Austria) considered "prohibited persons" under the provisions of the "Safe Explosives Act"...!
-dave w
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What's a few deaths a year in the name of "security?" With no known safety benefit to point to of course, but don't you just "feel safer?" Aren't the known deaths at ski areas just "acceptable losses"?
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Jerry Irvine wrote:

Starting your glue binge a little early today, huh jerry?
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The reason this comes into question is during the reviews of the Sept 11th incidents those screeners were seeming to pass the hijackers through very quickly. Both the screeners in question and the hijackers were of middle eastern/arabic origins. This is not to imply all individuals of this ethnice background are suspect but is something that needs to be reviewed. The hijackers picked these airports for many reasons and one company managed all the screeners from that day. A friend of mine used to be a screener at a midwestern airport but after Sept 11!th she lost her job as she was not a U.S. citizen but a British National and married for 20+ years to a U.S. Serviceman. The reason given was you were supposed to be a U.S. citizen to have that job in the first place.
Sept. 11th did not have to happen as some say. If airport security was not such a joke before and after the events of Sept 11th I would feel much better about Big Brother trying to protect us but instead we as a nation are wasting money and still TSA fails security checks on a routine basis.

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yep. that's the one, to the letter. (hey, if puns were bad enough for Shakespeare... or Bacon... )
Ignore it? Pack up and move to Tierra del Fuego?
-nb

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It seems the consensus amoung pyros (at least from what I have seen) is to ignore it. Note the part that says BUSINESS. I have heard again and again the BATFE does not care if it is for personal use, no interstate transport, and proper storage. Then again, I highly recomend researching for yourself/contacting a lawyer, as I am in no way a lawyer or qualified to give advice regarding law.
Ben
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

BATFE
It's just an attempt to scare off the customers of the companies which sell pyro chemicals. Note that it does not say anything to the effect of, "We're gonna bust your sorry butt" -- it just says you can be prosecuted if you illegally misuse certain materials or bought materials with the intent to use them illegally.
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wonder how long it will be before HPR and AR/EX types start receiving letters like this? It appears the letter are designed to serve one purpose: to chill sales If you scare off some or most of the customers then the company goes under....
sounds like the fedgov is up to their old tricks of "demonizing" certain activities.....can you say AR ?
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How dare they disagree with Jerry?
Jerry-keep walking the walk so you can show us that 40 GRAN TO THE MAN really isn't such a BIG FINE. Oh and watch out for Bubbah.
On 7 May 2005 19:12:11 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

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Correct.
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Welcome to the machine.
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