I stand corrected.....for some odd reason some AT/RCS reloads in the 54mm
range are indeed exempt from explosives licenses.... but they still require
a registered explosives store (ie magazine) and require the UK RCA
you gonna have to explain this one to me:
"That's how the hobby started."
How did this hobby start with black market motors?
lets see.. orville carlise hand made the first "commerical motors"....
and then when supply could not keep up with demand, they were made 1st by
Brown Manufacturing and then Estes....
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant High Power Rocketry,
not modrocs. In the beginning, HPR was largely a renegade activity. If
everyone had waited for it to become completely legal, we'd still be
waiting today and HPR would not exist.
I don't know where Brown Mfg. is today..they probably do not exist as they
were actually a fireworks manufacturer. and its my understanding that the
rocket motors they were producing were prone to "cato" so G.Harry approached
estes or vice versa and the rest is history as they say...
No, adults made their rocket motors mostly legally and flew rockets before
Like you saw on october sky by the way.
problem was kids did too, like you saw on october sky, and many blew up
Model Rocketry (tm) was a business started to keep kids from blowing them
selves up and worked real well, even to this day.
Adults still built un regulated and generaly in most places legal rockets,
known as armature rocketry (tm)
they got heads butting with MR due to MR advertising AR as bad and evil
causing AR to get looked at as bad.
most AR went and ignored the MR so they could do as they pleased.
Some MR folks made larger MR motors, like Irv and FSI etc..
That got many young MR safe and sane scientists getting the taste for
needing even larger motors for their experiments.
FSI and Enerjets were not large enough.
Green motors appeared at gatherings and conventions and those in the know
Experiments continued and larger rocket built on MR techniques rather then
AR techniques appeared.
Really this was still AR, but using MR style AP motors and Rockets.
MR folks didn't like it and Who flew the ""G" started.
To keep that from getting branded as evil, a group got together and formed a
corporation that had legal exemption on the then current and only NFPA 1122
and used the name of an old 1964 science club. It was legal and working.
Soon, this band of folks were being called "biker rocketry" by some hand
many in the NAR went to the new club to fly large rockets and motors and
have access to larger payloads.
the NAR saw this and understood they too must embrace larger motors, or they
would be left with just the contest rocket base for adult memberships.
this is the cliff notes of the first three chapters in the triolgy.
Wanting to grow a bit in the hobby at least to level one. I explored
the prospect of being able to acquire some 4F BP for possible use in the
future, for a mini dual deployment system. Mini due to the fact that I
would incorporate it in a G or less model so I could fly it locally.
I appreciate the privilege to travel and see M sized models go up.
Really neat but I'd like to be able to enjoy the hobby locally without
the special requirements. It looks like in my state, Illinois, I simply
have to get a Firearm Owners ID card. Fair enough. Fill out the form,
send in the $15.00 (I think) and then I would be able to legally hold
BP. I also could acquire a rifle, handgun or shotgun (Getting
fingerprinted for a pistol.) and would be able to directly blast away
at any or everything, man or beast until arrested, shot or killed.
Now if I wish to store a few of the larger APCP motors, I have to pay
$100.00 a year, get interviewed by the BATF to make sure I have no evil
intents and then renew at $100.00 a year to boot. Really makes sense
doesn't it. I Damn sure hope the lawsuit is won.
I talked to a rocketeer who says he lives in a residential area about
the LEUP issue and he said he got his and the agent said he didn't
consider it a problem to store K engines in his house. That certainly
goes against the grain although I believe the modeler and the agent
are right that it is no big deal.
The vision of Vern Estes was to DIFFERENTIATE rocketry from firearms and
fireworks. Until the most recent spate of TRA/NAR/Quest/Estes/AT leaders
forwarded the NFPA process, it was working too.
Most states had "aeromodel" exemptions.
ATF had a wide exemption.
Federal Firearms regs allowed recreational use of BP.
CPSC only wanted to protect children.
FAA increased their exempt limits "the exact amount asked".
ALL new restrictions have been added by NAR/TRA/Quest/Estes/AT via the
NFPA process and by the respective BOD's of NAR and TRA by internal rule
additions, none of which are motivated or mandated by safety, field
practice, or experienced events.
In fact most have been political, bureaucratic, proactive against a
problem that does not exist, revenge, or pure ego.
I TOLD YOU SO.
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: firstname.lastname@example.org>
IF you parse the sentence that way, maybe. ATF doesn't.
And now they're just as out of control and power-mad as the ATF.
Bull! TRA/NAR do not make ATF policy. They do not make CPSC policy.
Internal organizational rules of TRA/NAR did not create ATF's policy to
regulate rocket motors, nor can those orgs reverse ATF policy simply by
changing their internal rules.
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