Re: Commercial motor manufacturing

I have, over and over.

Tripoli decertified one precisely on this basis alone.

You talking about Kosdon? TRA seems to have done this weird slow nasty flip-flop on him over the years... he started out with practically "teacher's pet" status but it turned into "you're not good enough for us any more unless you go get a bunch of new papers from the government to prove you're 'legitimate' after all"...

But that affair is perhaps a microcosm of the neurosis TRA seems to have developed, relative to its origins as an escape from the boundaries of the original "Model Rocket" paradigm... at some point, it seems to have decided that it had to re-invent its public self-image along the lines of NAR's whole trip, as if it thereby gained some sort of "legitimacy" that it had originally lacked.

-dave w

Point.

Using illegal (extra-legal, extra-rule, extra-promise, extra-sense) basis and methods no less.

Note that both Steve Bloom and Ray Dunakin ignore the obvious in this case and despite my repeatedly offering this example act like it does not exist.

But it does.

Still.

Jerry

RayDunakin wrote:

Total BS.. You were never a legal manufacture of anything pyrotechnic. DOT said so to me and then to you, in the form of a $40 gran to the man, "BIG Fine Irvine" fine.

Fred

He wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about Frank.

-dave w

Fred is fixated.

Would that be Frank 'I want to keep making them in my garage' Kosdon? It's VERY unlikely that he had a busniess permit to make propellant for rocket motors in his garage.

Frank, a legal manufacture of PADs??? Has Frank ever made such a claim?? I understood he claimed flammable solid status, but then on the other hand, he is a party to a DOT exemption, the same one A/T uses. I wonder why jerry never used that avenue?? Oh I know, TRA told the DOT to not let that happen(:-).

Fred

Fred

A: You don't know where he makes it. B: He has a state permit, and DOT. C: As you know ATF is not required by law. D: His motors are NAR certified

and here's the kicker.

His NAR certified motors are BANNED at TRA launches. The only banned certified motor I am aware of.

His TRA motors were decertified precisely because ATF permits are NOT required and he refused to get one to appease TRA (alone).

He probably saw where that got me.

Jerry

And nobody accuses me of being a Kosdon supporter, so I am certifiably unbiased in this matter.

Fred kows first hand why. Fred was charged with making it happen.

Please explain??

Fred

Yes We do. In his residential garage.

What state permit?

Manufacturers require LEMPs

Some of his motors are.

Frank did not refuse to get a LEMP. The ATF would not issue one to a residential address.

Each of your replies demonstrates ignorance. Some to a small degree, some to a HUGE degree.

How do you know what I do or don't know?

Didn't say he doesn't. Does that equate to a permit that allows manufacture in his house?

Prove to me that you can manufacture a substence on the explosives list without a LEMP. Show me who has received a LEMP to manufacture in their garage.

I've seen them launched at TRA lanuches.

Poor Jerry

I doubt that you are unbiased in ANY matter.

Explain in detail.

I did. You ignored it. Over and over.

Jerry

Actually, you did not. you repeatedly refuse to show any evidence. Over and over.