Rocketman flanged aft closure Q.

What I usually see is the complete destruction of the rocket, regardless of failure mode.

When the end cap does come off, the motor usually shoots through the rocket, like an alien coming out of it's belly through it's nose, obliterating everything in it's path. Centering rings, nose cone, electronics, 1/2" stainless hardware...nothing stands in the way of one of these beasties. Henceforth, I will refer to these nasty occurrences as Alien CATOs.

When the case ruptures, fins go flying and the bottom of the rocket usually takes the brunt of the damage. I personally would prefer a burrito CATO for my rockets, as the destruction isn't usually quite as absolute as the alien CATO. These CATOs just don't seem as violent as the Alien variety.

I have only seen one or two cases where the motor extinguished itself when the end closure came off.

I think the distance table is quite enough protection for rocketeers regardless of failure mode.

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Tweak
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I've never seen any claims that said any safety 'features' are machined into casings. Have you?

Reply to
Phil Stein

Yep - best one yet.

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Phil Stein

I think the ends popping would be safer because the stuff would just go straight up & down. This yeilds a much smaller splash pattern. I test my ex stuff in a hole dug with a post hole digger. If something over pressurizes, I only have to look for the stuff that went straight up. Since it only went straight up, it's much easier to find.

For those that don't know, the aluminum casings have almost no fragmentation. Many other substances can't make this claim.

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Phil Stein

Oh yes. Over and over again. Try a little google.

Here is a JI link from '96.

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Tweak

Yes.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

I think he is referring to GCR/AT.

Although he did say "any".

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Jerry Irvine

That is not the point in regulatory matters. Literal words are.

Sadly.

In any case there have been manufacturer claims over the years that the ends are designed to fail to prevent either unroll or fragment.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine

Easier to link, I think, he said with a wink:

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bit eimer

Yes and no. It does prevent corrosion. But there were other features missing from the clone casings, like the stress grooves behind the threads.

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Bob Kaplow

Just like what those AT cases look like half the time when they cato:

BALONEY!

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Tweak

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Tweak

What is says about the pressure drop extinguishing the flames is true in most motors that use AP I don't consider that to be caused by a safety feature being designed into the casing.

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Phil Stein

What you are calling stress grooves are called a thread relief by machinists. It is there to provide a clean termination to the threaded area. It can be done as you described but it is not good practice.

THe anodization makes it easier to clean but weather it's anodzed or not, you should clean the inside of the casing so the orings make a good seal.

I think USR casing aren't anodized but the closures are.

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Jerry - how are your sales doing in the UK?

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Phil Stein

Not missing from the versions that caused the cease and desist notices.

They are there for "appearance of compliance" only.

There are no current reloadable cases that actually comply with NFPA codes.

The problem of course is the code not the cases.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

A few kits here and there, but that's about all.

Why?

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine

Just wondering.

I see they advertise your motors too. How are the motors selling? Can you slip in a cross cert deal?

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Phil Stein

You keep saying "my" motors.

No.

Also UK does not require club certs. God save the queen.

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Jerry Irvine

I saw one of those, very early in the burn, with a G125 - it looked almost like an ignition failure, except I saw a small flash of blue flame, and when I went to look at the rocket itself, then nose was ejected about 1 cm or so...

Thinking that this was a bit odd, I removed the motor for inspection... the case had cracked right at the delay assembly, which had fallen off... about

2cm of the motor was loose inside the rocket; the ejection powder and delay grain were unburned (and the powder was loose in the airframe, since the rupture had carried away a flake of the casing and opened the side of the powder chamber behind the paper seal)... the forward end of the propelllant was visible, unburned (except that the core was a little enlarged on one side where the igniter was). It looked like the failure had occured in the immediate pressure spike of ignition, and extinguished everything before there was really enough heat in the propellant surface to keep things burning after that.

-dave w

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David Weinshenker

That may just reduce the flaming mess, post-failure, independent of the exact direction in which it pops open.

-dave w

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David Weinshenker

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