ROL NEWS--AeroTech Announces Certification of Three New Reload Kits

Way to go Gary! So glad to see you back in action! Can't wait to go to LDRS 23.... Barry

Do they go into "outer space" too?

I600R also sounds like a good 'pre-L2 shakedown' motor for L1 flyers IMO.

-- Niall Oswald ========= UKRA 1345 L0 EARS 1151 MARS

"Gravity assisted pieces of the rocket raining from the sky should be avoided. It is also financially undesirable."

-Portland State Aerospace Society

Yep - and a step in the right direction IMHO. We have too many motors that are a "baby J" or "baby M" or whatever... it's good to see some that are near the top of the impulse range for their "letter" class.

-dave w

Dave W. wrote:

Yeah, but I'm thinking that my L1 rocket should, all being well, be able to take the 5G Pro38 motor, which is just a 'J', for L2 cert. Seems a bit like cheating, but if you can cert L1 with a saucer...!

Unfortunately it doesnt look like we'll be seeing any AT over here in a hurry though. The Pro38 smoky 5G is just over 600 Ns IIRC.

-- Niall Oswald ========= UKRA 1345 L0 EARS 1151 MARS

"Gravity assisted pieces of the rocket raining from the sky should be avoided. It is also financially undesirable."

-Portland State Aerospace Society

Yep. But I do not believe any motors are CE approved yet.

Yet you do not like USR (think it should be certified). Ironic, eh?

Hey, I'd love to see you get your motors certified. Just don't expect everyone to set aside the rules just for you. You want 'em certified, you gotta meet the same standards as every other manufacturer. If you are unable do that, I'm sympathetic. If you're unwilling to do that, well, that's your choice.

You mean the same standards that keep very nearly every manufacturer of solid rocket motors in this country _uninterested_ in offering "certified consumer" motors?

-dave w

It's a shame these two aren't NAR certified. While reciprocity applies to use, it means they are not usable in NAR contest flying. The F21 has the same problem.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Dave W. wrote:

Name ONE motor manufacturer besides Frank and Jerry who has specifically cited the motor cert requirements as a reason not to produce consumer motors.

BTW, "well, there was this guy who used to make a few motors for his buddies" doesn't count. You said "motor manufacturers", not small time wannabes.

Big Fine butted in:

Sorry Jerry, unsubstantiated claims and wild speculation are not allowed in the FAQ.

Why not start with those two, and their related customers and contractors (totaling over 5 "manufacturers").

Just out of curiosity, why do contest motors have special cert requirements?

What, two isn't enough?

Ray, your attitude sucks AP fumes.

Hobby rocketry is enough of a niche market that we have no freakin' business making a distinction between "small time wannabes" and "manufacturers"... we should be _encouraging_ "small-time" suppliers to come forward with new products - motors as well as books, electronics, rail buttons, or molded plastic hardware for parallel-staged boosters - instead of setting policies intended to keep out those who aren't "legitimate" (i.e., "established" and "corporate") enough.

And don't go bleating about "government requirements" - that's one of the areas in which the orgs could offer help: Imagine if NAR/TRA had an outreach program to assist new manufacturers through the DOT testing process to establish their propellants as "suitable to be shipped safely", instead of simply laying back, arms folded, and saying "go make your own arrangements with DOT and then we'll consider talking to you".

-dave w

Ray: The only special cert requirement for contest cert is that they will more generally available....

NAR Contest Approval shall be granted only to model rocket motors that are currently and readily available commercially,

and that also meet the requirements of Rule 4.1 through Rule 4.8.

shockie B)

requirements?

bob: where does it say that for a model rocket engine to be NAR contest certified it has to be certified as such by only the NAR. The only requirement that I can find for contest cert is this:

NAR Contest Approval shall be granted only to model rocket motors that are currently and readily available commercially,

and that also meet the requirements of Rule 4.1 through Rule 4.8.

All motors used in a model rocket in NAR sanctioned competition, or for the purpose of establishing a United States Model

Rocket Performance Record, shall be of a type currently holding NAR Contest Approval. No model rocket motor shall be

flown at any NAR Sanctioned activity unless that motor holds current NAR Certification.

It seem by this language that All the NAR has to do is say they are Contest Approved....

shockie B)

I think the idea is to prevent someone from gaining an advantage by using motors that others in the event wouldn't be able to procure. (For example, suppose someone had a stash of the Apogee "mini" motors left over from when they were available...)

-dave w