ROL NEWS--New Sky Ripper Hybrids Certified

OUTSTANDING.....I can't wait to fly mine!...Gotta wait 2 more weeks.....SIGH!

Mark A Palmer

So you are saying you bought an uncertified motor?

What state are you in and is NFPA code active in it?

How do you know he bought a reload, maybe he just bought the hardware.

Don't presume too much...

What I have is hardware with no reloads. I purchased them at our holiday banquet through an auction (the proceeds of which went to fund the TRA legal fund). They have been patiently waiting on my desk, along with a Scale Kits Sidewinder that was built specifically for them.

No fuel has been made available yet. I assume that they will be at the launch in 2 weeks because the manufacturer (Todd Moore) usually attends our monthly launches.

Mark A Palmer

I know that no reload kits have been shipped before the motors were certified. Believe me, I have a standing order.

Rule 1: Ignore Irvine. Rule 2: see Rule 1.

Doug Pratt Pratt Hobbies

I sincerely doubt that there is anything illegal about buying an uncertified hybrid motor, as, until the nitrous oxide is loaded into the tank, it's just an inert lump of aluminum, brass, graphite, rubber and plastic.

- Rick "Only 'ert' when loaded" Dickinson

It seems NFPA-1122 did not account for that and thus it reads as illegal.

After all, it is a motor intended to be used for consumer use and in the catagory to be "certified" as later events affirmed.

The fact that the components are inert is a separate issue from NFPA.

It is badly wrtitten regulation.

If rule 1 and 2 don't seem to work, dump him in the kill file..(:-)

Once again, the TMT web pages seem to be silent regarding these motors. No data, no details, no nothing. Until these motors show up on the "official" lists, they aren't going to be permitted at sanctioned launches.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

motors. No

"official"

Bob,

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I am pleased to announce the first G Motor Hybrid is now certified for use under the newly released G Hybrid flight rules. The Skyripper G125PVC motor is a 38 MM motor using the same closures and nozzles as their other 38 MM line, but with a new 16" case. It tests out to a 1.6 second, 145 NS,

75% G motor.

Also certified is the first in their new three size 29 MM motor line, the H78. This is a 20.5" case system and tests out (90 degrees, OAT) as a

180 NS, 3 second, 5% H motor. Cooler temperatures will enhance those numbers accordingly, all in all a nice motor for those 29 MM single and cluster rockets.

The G63 runs in the 29/75 case, a compact 12 inch long motor. It certifies as a G69, 6% G at 85 NS, 158 NS Max, for 1.2 seconds, and a standard 5 gram APCP preheater. The curve is a straight line from initial max thrust to zero at the max time.

The G69 runs in the 29/125, 16 inch hardware and tests out to a G71,

59% G at 127.7 NS, 137.95 NS Max for 1.8 seconds. The Curve is, as most U/C hybrids, an initial max and a straight line to zero at 1.8 seconds.

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Paul told me that he'd be working on getting all of the data and certification documents together for addition to the TRA website within the next three weeks.

Thanks for your concern in this matter.

Todd Moore Sky Ripper Systems.

There's nothing that says you can't have a few pieces of plastic laying around. ;-)

Wanna bet??

I have a "big fine" to pay.

Thanks for the followup. Was this post in any public arena? TMT test results are not exclusively for TRA members. I'm looking forward to getting these as soon as possible...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

These emails were sent to;

Myself, The TRA Listserv, Jim Cook, and Max Baines.

I'll have all additional certification information up on the Sky Ripper Systems web page as soon as it becomes available to me. Todd Moore Sky Ripper Systems.

I believe the point Kaplow made was that the AHJ themselves (TRA TMT) failed or refused to simply publish the data as required by law, thus making your cert actiually legal.

Jerry

And what law would that be?

Expecting the stuff to be published instantly after testing is complete is unrealistic. I'd say its more like they haven't gotten around to it yet.

Blah, blah, blah,... poor jerry.

I wonder why "big fine" didn't instantly publish his DOT big fine notice?? Oh, I know, he was attempting to comply with "plausable deniability" as long as he possibly could..(:-)

I myself am curious as well about this "law" mandating publication.