Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified August 22, 2003 Web posted at: 12:28 PM EDT
(ROL Newswire ) -- Ellis Mountain Rocket Works is happy to announce the TMT certification of delays for all their 38mm reloadable motors as well as the 38mm H48-8 and I 134-15 single use motors. Forward closures and delay kits for the relaodable motors can be purchased from Ellis Mountain retailers. More information may be found at:
Yes, the delay closures are interchangeable with the original plugged closure. One item though, you need to put in the forward snap ring then insert the delay closure from the aft end as the snap ring will not compress around an installed delay closure.
All the delays were very consistent and had real nice smoke.
Punishment I have extended to you? I've never sent you any personal correspondence, nor was I any part of the actions taken against you, take that up with other people. You flatter me by considering me the whole organization.
You ask where these requirements are published, they're easily accessible on the web site, presented as an excerpt from the Tripoli Motor Testing code published by Tom Blazanin, TMT Chair in 1996
I only have one final observation. If Tripoli, NAR and CAR are such "fools", "idiots", "criminals", why do you want to associate with us, so bad? You should be glad you're of such high moral character to not deal with us.
In fact, there was a problem when I (in my Propulsion Polymers role) applied for TRA manufacturer status. The jurisdication where I operate my business doesn't require a business license. The only thing I had was a (provincial) sales tax permit, and the provincial business name registration. Sue eventually settled for the two pieces of "proof of legitimacy".
I'm *really, really* glad that CAR has its own motor testing process now, so I don't have to deal with some of the silliness, (and, to be frank, some of the lack of professionalism I experienced trying to cert through TRA).
Simple fairness and level playing field would be a start. Heck, approve whatever papers they will approve and at least tell me SPECIFICALLY what is lacking so I can address it either through channels or by having a JUDGE order them to do the right thing on a narrow issue.
Not all American jurisdictions require a "business license" for every conceivable sort of business... it's a silly set of requirements, anyway - it has the appearance of being contrived to favor established corporate entities and squeeze out small operations which might simply not be in a position to supply the various "evidences of legitimacy" that TRA expects of "approved manufacturers". (Why make an issue of "legitimacy" unless there is intent that some are to be considered "illegitimate"?)
It's certainly the sort of thing that gives TRA the appearance of a "what's good for Aerotech is good for the Association" kind of attitude - or maybe it was just "let's not let Jerry in the club". (Actually, I think that was more of a motive behind the requirements that the certifying vendor of record had to be the same organization as the "actual physical manufacturer" - this seems to have been intended to squeeze out Jerry's outsourced "USR" product line - and perhaps others whose business structure was more like Jerry's than Gary's?)
It all basically feels like a contrivance to implement some good old internal favoritisms and prejudices while at the same time using it to "kiss and make up" with the NAR/NFPA faction by appearing to adopt the fundamental "Consumer Rocketry" dogma, with the Magic Religious Boundary between the Individual User and the Established Commercial Manufacturer (who alone is fit to confront the Sacred Mystery of Propellant).
Motor-certifying is a false sense of warm-fuzzy to make it look like everything possible is being done to prevent anything that might draw upon that insurance.
Insurance won't supply if there are no guidlines; it would be financial suicide in these sue-happy days.
At least that is where it starts... then mix in management styles/personalities, fear of the unknown, the new people to the group verses the seasoned ones.
Often it is the seasoned ones fearing what that "person over there" is attempting to do, and sometimes cannot or will not allow for the learning process without installing too much bubble/safety net/red tape.
Funny thing is, insurance itself is a false sense of warm-fuzzy too. Making a claim on insurance causes more stress than the incident causing the claim. Insurance is one funny business that is no fun.
So you eventully end up somewhere between the extremes of the plastic-bubble world where you are protected from everything and stagnate while experiencing nothing (some would call that death), or the live and let live/learn world with no controls where you could lose your life (or the lives of others) if one or many happen(s) to set the right chain of events in motion. With the first extreme everyone sues everyone for even scratching their bubble. With the second extreme everyone is forced to deal with not only their own consequences, but quite often the consequences from others too.
There is too much that can be said on the subject. I was probably better off leaving it at the one word, and will be sorry in the morning for even opening my... er... fingers.
Jerry, I've always agreed with you that you got the shaft years ago, but you aren't going to win over anyone by continuing to throw Molatov cocktails at the new kids. Paul wasn't responsible for what happened years ago, don't blame him. He told you what you need to do to legally certify your motors. End of discussion.
Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II God Bless our peacekeepers
The "point" of certification is to be able to fly those motors at NAR and TRA group launches. The minute you have indy launches with indy insurance like from ieas.org or others there is no point at all.
Even NFPA codes make exceptions for "industrial" motors so that makes all indy launches users of industrial motors.