Certifying with Ellis Mountain motor?

Just noticed on the link that David E-W posted earlier, that Ellis Mountain Motors don't appear on the NAR certified list.
They are however on the Tripoli list.
Does that mean I cannot Level 1 certify with an EM H50 if I am only a NAR member (not TRA?)
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bit eimer wrote:

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NAR S&T can probably answer your question better than anyone else. Most likely, they just haven't kept up to date on current TRA certs.
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Short of an official ruling (arbitrary and convenient), yes.
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Bit, you can certify just fine on an EM H50 at a NAR launch.
TRA, NAR and CAR have cross acceptance of certifications for sport motors.
It's only at NAR contests that you can only use NAR contest certified motors.

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TRA bans NAR certified Kosdon motors.
So it is NOT universal.

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Interesting. I have seen firends of mine fly them at TRA launches in 2004
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AlMax wrote:

They probably fly rockets instead of hanging out on usenet (with the rest of us silly scandal-mongers), and don't know about the prohibition. It's hard to play exclusion games when nobody knows they're supposed to...
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ROFL
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It was made clear to ALL prefects that this was the case.(I was one at the time) If one of the Kosdon loads results in damage at a TRA launch, no insurance!
That's part of the Prefects job - to understand the "weirdness" so that not everyone needs to follow usenet. It's quite simple... No Kosdon loads are valid at any TRA commercial launch.

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AZ Woody wrote:

Actually, it's likely worse than that -- if there's a Kosdon motor flown at the launch and something else does damage that incurs an insurance claim, the insurance is void, as the safety code has been violated at the launch.
The same would hold true for both NAR & TRA insurance, as I'd bet both are dependent upon the safety code being followed, as well as state & federal law.
You are correct, the Kosdon decert was made VERY clear to Prefects.
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I told you so!

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I think an insurance company would have a tough time weasling out of a claim becaus of something that nothing to do with the incident.
I still don't understand how TRA can both recognize NAR motor certs and ban NAR certified Kosdon motors. I sure couldn't get the NAR to not recognize the bogus TRA certs several years ago.
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Is that like Jerry motors too?

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Jerry Irvine wrote:

motors.
Does Kosdon currently have any motors that are still NAR-certified?
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wrote:

Appears so ( from the NAR list):
KOSDON TRULY RECYCLABLE MOTORS
Dimensions (mm) Type Propellant Mass (gm) Total Impulse (N-sec)
29 x 206 G40-P5,R 48.4 120.00 29 x 206 G75-75,R 67.5 150.00 29 x 291 H70-P5,R 81.7 180.00 29 x 291 H135-115,R 112.0 240.00 54 x 250 I120-P5,R 393.0 580.00 38 x 370 I130-55,R 266.0 550.00 38 x 258 I145-75,R 182.7 360.00 54 x 250 I150-65,R 339.0 640.00 38 x 314 I170-115,R 287.0 440.00 54 x 326 J230-85,R 500.8 950.00 75 x 244 J275-6.55,R 625.0 1150.00 54 x 403 K350-95,R 682.0 1320.00 75 x 368 K450-125,R 1080.0 2400.00 54 x 403 K700-P5,R 682.0 1430.00 75 x 368 K777-115,R 1080.0 2400.00
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bit eimer wrote:

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Ah, thanks! I thought they'd expired by now, but apparently they don't expire until the end of this year. I wonder if Frank plans to renew them.
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I see them flown, even at tra launches anyway, they must be using nar insurance at them.
I don't get the idea that they can say NAR certified motors can't be flown at a tra launch.
Even Kevin will need to go on record to say something's fishy.
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How about Kosdon by Aerotech? They are still certified by TRA. Bill Richardson

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