Which they never did to ANY of the USR TRA tested model rocket motors.
Even when asked.
Jerry
Which they never did to ANY of the USR TRA tested model rocket motors.
Even when asked.
Jerry
What's even worse is when you provide specific examples, those particular examples are instantly dismissed as invalid examples, without reason or basis of course.
ie "rejecting you".
Isn't Vulcan a former "consumer" motor supplier who still makes motors for "industrial" applications?
-dave w
Who are you referring to?
What five manufacturers?
Jerry asked:
Because Dave said, "...nearly every manufacturer of solid rocket motors in this country..." We already know about you and Frank. Your customers are not motor manufacturers, and your "contractors" are unknown and unconfirmed.
So what other manufacturers of solid rocket motors in this country have cited the cert requirements as a reason for staying out of the consumer (hobby) rocket market?
How many real, established solid rocket motor manufacturers are there? Thiokol, Aerojet, who else? Do those folks even know, or care, that the hobby market exists? I doubt it.
I agree.
You can call it bleating, but those government requirements are a fact whether you agree with them or not.
Are you suggesting that Jerry's whole problem is that he's waiting for TRA/NAR to lead him by the hand 'cause he can't figure out how to get his propellent tested and approved by DOT?
Seriously, I bet if you asked any manufacturer or would-be manufacturer, they'd tell you that the biggest obstacle to complying with DOT and ATF regs is the expense. That's something the orgs can't help them with. The most the orgs could do is lobby for reduced regulations on manufacturers, and right now their limited resources are tied up just trying to reduce the regs on consumers.
Dave,
Tell me EXACTLY which requirements are the ones that make existing manufacturers disinterested.
I'm sure Jerry could share knowledge on the subject. ;-)
Nope. Especially when it's those two.
Frank decided to to abide and let AT make reloads with his formulas. Since I haven't heard otherwise, it doesn't appear to be an issue to Frank.
Jerry is Jerry.
Maybe you mixed up the envepoples going to NAR & DOT. 8-)
But why should he have to?
ATF exempt and DOT approved. What else matters?
start there.
Jerry
According to the law it most certainly is.
When did TRA become superior to the law?
Especially for no particular reason?
Jerry
You disagreed above!!!!!!
You are a MORON.
Yes.
The rules are the rules weather you like them or not. The only way they will change is from within the system. You are not within the system. There are a some (myself included) that would like to see you be approved but, I believe that you would rather bitch about it than actually do something about it.
No one held a gun to Frank's head. He chose to do what he did.
By illegally requiring ATF permits everyone including a judge agrees are not needed. Everyone except NAR and TRA of course.
Jerry
So why are YOU ignoring the FACTS in this message? Hmmm?
Completed assembled motors are exempt from needing a LEUP. I've never seen anything saying the manufacturer doesn't need one.
What specific entity must motors be submitted through?
This should be in the FAQ.
Jerry
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