The Last Straw (Long)

That would be the way I would parse it - I believe the rule speaks to the nature of the initiation system, rather than the exact character of the "combustion train" between the electrical event and the "mainstage" propellant burn. (After all, even Estes "Solar" or "Astron" igniters are not perfectly "direct" - there's a "pyrotechnic" stage between the bridgewire and the actual BP motor grain.)

-dave w

No, an "electrical motor igniter" contains a pyrotechnic charge (,wire, and bridgewire). That is different from using an igniter to set off a pyrotechnic which in turn ignites the motor. Unless you're willing to argue that it's ok to run a line of blackpowder out to a flash pan, just so long as you ignite the 'fuse' with a motor igniter.

The HighPower code does not appear to suffer this limitation.

Joel. phx

Then there's the issue of a sustainer motor. Since you're not using an igniter to ignite the upper, it appears to fall outside the code too. Unless you consider the 'taped motors' to be a single motor, in which case were they certified that way and in every combination?

Actually that does seem to be the arguement based on the parse.

No "staged combinmations" are certified.

Yeah, sounds like a classic case of a local club over-reacting and shooting themselves in the foot.

The founders thought that using old Roman terminology was fitting for a club called "Tripoli".

I believe that is how the rule is applied at TRA/NAR. I think they just don't want people lighting a fuse and running for cover.

- iz

That may be true, but not what is written. This branch is under a critique of the ARSA(?) safety code and specifically pointed out an issue with the way the ignition """rule""" was laid out. In fact several questions/situations were asked which appear to be eliminated in the NAR code. I popped to TRA site and guess what I found with the TRA code?

Joel. phx

We all saw Mr. Lee do it on TV now Fred !

And I have seen it done at some NAR launches as well in 2003.

/ArtU

has been discussed

says nothing about

reprint it,

I could not figure out why it would be published in a magazine that sells in hobby stores ???!!

Why the freck would we want new blood reading that dribble ? Be compliant or leave, geeezzzzeee...

You can even fly if you get some motor handeling, what gives...

I'm just now remembering the article in ER.

/ArtU

I wonder why this industry has a negative growth rate in double digits despite NO ATF enforcement AT ALL?

Jerry

Obviously that wasn't a NAR launch.

Under model rocket rules or HighPower?

Joel. phx

was it black powder or triple seven?

Who needs JBGTs when we've got clubs like this. Enforcing laws that aren't even laws yet.

Any one in this group ever hear of hybrid motors?

You quit too soon...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I know, it seems pretty counter-productive both to the hobby and to the magazine.

Isn't that a basis for removal from TRA. Something about "injurious to the corporation" or some such?

Jerry

A rocket magazine,... in stores? Now I KNOW you guys are on something,...

Joel. phx

You chose correctly. From

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Mark E. Hamilton NAR #48641-Sr ARSA #418

Actualy te bylaws doesn't require ithat it be "injurious". Just that it be in public. THus any one who talks about TRA activities here in RMR, or in ROL or any of the other forums should be removed from TRA just as I was. FOr that matter, any one who publishes a magazine that says anything about any TRA activities that is distributed publicly to any one who is not a TRA member should be removed in the same manner. Bye Bye Kelly...

Of course this will never happen. Becaus ethe buylaws are meaningless, and you only ket kicked out of the little boys club when they don't like you. It's censorship pure and simple. HPR magazine is proof positive that I was unjustly excommunicated from TRA by a facist dictator.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Maybe that's why the issues of "HPR" have become so lacking in "on-topic" content....

-dave w