Thank God!

eyeball noted:

Heck, Vess couldn't even carry Colorado for Kerry. Vess can't even take credit for Coors being defeated, that was just revenge for bad beer.

Rick MFE

From: snipped-for-privacy@zzzzonnet.nl.invalid (Harro de Jong)

Who get elected may have a bearing on you through how it affects your country. However, the METHOD of electing our leaders is strictly the internal business of the people of the United States of America and its government and is of absolutely NO concern of yours.

The US does take note of how other governments select their leaders, just as other governments take note of how we select ours. However, neither you nor I were talking about "governments," were we. We were talking about how the people of the United States of America select our leader and as someone who does not and cannot participate in that process, you have no business telling us how to do it. Aside from that, you roll in and say our method "sucks" and is "flawedAs someone who has participated in that selection process since 1968, I say it works fine; just as it was intended by our founding fathers. And, just because the inception of our method of electing our leaders is a couple hundred years old, does not automatically mean it's bad. You, as someone who has not and cannot participate in our process, roll in and say that "it sucks" and it is "flawed." All cute words butr meaningless without facts to back up your opinion. Therein lies the problem. Having never participated in our process, you have no basis from which to launch your opinion and it has no merit. Sorry.

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Well you better get used to it 'cause he's going to be President for four whole years. However, here's something to take heart in. I can absolutely guarantee that George W. Bush will not be reelected in 2008. Does that make you feel better?

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So what you are telling me, is that it would be perfectly ok for all the people in the big cities, and only them decide who gets elected ? Becasue that is exactly what would happen. What about the people in the rural areas ? they would get no say under your system

And BTW, ya better look hard sometime and realize that the USA is a representative democcracy, not a true one. Dont think there has ever been a pure democracy since the Greeks...

No, is there a reason there should be ?

If that wasnt a non answer, I dont know what is.....................

Got an axe to grind do ya ? :)

In a word LOOOOOOSER and kerry lost to

Beats the hell of what ever is the next best system

So I'm not even allowed to have an opinion on your voting process? Magnificent. Please stop discussing your precious, internal, not-for-bloody-foreigners matters on this international forum. While you're at it, take a moment to thank your almighty and infallible government for blessing you with the perfect place to live in, and the flawless laws that underpin it.

Let's discuss scale modelling instead, shall we?

perhaps saying God has a similar effect on him as holy water to a vampire...

Woah!!! I was alluding to the fact that they're doing a new Sherman in

1/48!

(If you believe that, you probably believed that those provisional ballots might have made a difference)

America is a republic. This isn't the history channel so go look it up why we are and what a republic is. Having said that, our founding fathers set it up that way because they were well aware of the regional bias of each party to the signing of the consitution.That hasn't changed in 250 years, here or anywhere else in the world. The USSR was a republic joined by arms. The USA is a republic joined by love of liberty. Which one is still around?

A thought to all of you living under another form of government. If you like your's then shut the hell up about mine and enjoy yours. If on the other hand you live under a repressive form of government and wish to change it then get off you sorry ass and do something about it. You may not live to see freedom but your kids might. And yea, it's easy for me to say. A tour in Korea helping them stay free, a tour in Nam TRYING to keep them free and a tour in germany for whatever reason(sigh). 66 -73.

"Harro de Jong" wrote in

Let's take a vote. ;-)

I'll go for models - I'm about thru taking my victory lap now that Vess has conceded.

WmB

To reply, get the HECK out of there snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net

IIRC my civics lessons from high school, if there was an electoral tie, the decision would lie in the US House of Representatives. Seeing as the Republicans control the House at the moment, a tie would have most likely resulted in a Bush victory.

While our system is not perfect, I do think it is one of the better systems used on Earth. In a country as small as the Netherlands, where Harro is from, there aren't as many different sides to the coin as in the US.

A true democracy would basically place the will of the nation in the major cities like Los Angeles, New York, Boston, Chicago, etc.

People tend to forget we have states in our country that are larger than most European countries but sparsely populated. A true democracy would give those people virtually no say in the democratic process.

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Also, under a "popular vote" system...imagine the nightmares regarding RECOUNTS! In a close election (popular vote wise), the trailing side would be demanding recounts in EVERY FRIGGIN' COUNTY in the nation!

This just in: Michael Moore's Relevance for sale on Ebay! :-)

It was the LATE 1950's. I first learned of the change, when I was about six years old, watching an old rerun of "Timmy and Lassie"...lol. There was a classroom scene, in which they recited the pledge , *sans* the "under God" part. I went "Huh?", and inquired about the difference...

Didn't it also coincide with adding the phrase "In God We Trust" to our currency? The Silver Certificates (blue seal), and the U.S. Notes (red seal) I am eyeballing here now, are dated 1953, and 1957, and these do not have "In God We Trust" on them.

That sounds logical. When was the OAS made an "offical" alliance?

Whoa!

You actually experienced a B-36 flying overhead? I WORSHIP YOU!!!

:o)

Greg exclaimed:

Easy now! Kissing the ring will be sufficient. I used to spend a lot of time during the Summers at my grandfather's farm about

250 miles North of Carswell. I slept on the screened in porch ( no a/c in those days and contrary to some reports it DID NOT snow in July or August). Some nights you would hear one lone B-36 climbing out from Carswell (or IIRC Barksdale), other nights there would be airplane after airplane. The B-36 had a drone unlike no civilian a/c and they used to "step climb" for hundreds of miles to reach cruising altitude. My Dad was active duty USAF and used to take me out to the end of the runway on his days or evenings off to watch the airplanes. Fighters were cooler than bombers, but bombers were loud!

Rick MFE (realy old)