Well, you know what you said and a simple apology would have been in
order.. but now you are going to defend or reinforce your remark with a
article or that article makes it right??
Have enough balls to say you were wrong.
Well said Paul !
I have just been scanning through this thread when I came accross '1'
's comments and his link to the article which he uses to justify his
Well - '1' - If you have formed your opinion based on this article
read on. If you are just using this article to re-inforce your
ignorance then don't bother reading on as I doubt that what ever
anyone says will open up your mind.
The linked article seems a long winded report that can be summarised:-
"Man in foreign country steels software from US company.
Man caught trying to sell this software after co-operation between FBI
and foreign countries' law enforment agencies."
Where is the story there? other than the minor interest to people in
the CAD industry who would know what Solidworks is. Are there no
thieves in the USA, that this attempted theft is such a shocking thing
and should be used to damn a whole counrty.
The actual article is really an attempt by the reporter to try and
build up some sort of case against outsourcing of software development
to places outside the USA. In choosing to highlight an attempted
theft in India, the report does not choose a very good example of a
country in which it is dangerous to do business.
India is the world largest democracy and has been ever since
independance, just like the USA. It has never had an attempted coup
by its military, just like the USA. When its Prime Minister, Indira
Gandhi, in 1976 declared a State of Emergancy and tried to suppend
certain rights, the Indian people voted her out of power at the next
election. American have similarly in the past shown little patience
with their Presidents who act illegally.
As I have said - India is a fully functioning mature democracy with
all the same problems that Western Democracies have:-
Corruption in politics where money buys votes.
Slow and expensive legal system where justice is not easily available
to the poorest, but easily availabel to wealthy companies and
India has a fully functioning court system and the full raft of IP
laws taken straight out of British statues. Why the suprise that they
are not exactly the same as the USA laws. In pure head-count terms
there are more Indian citizens than US citizens so shouldn't their
laws prevale, especially in their own country.
India is 1 of 2 of the world's hyper-population centre's and the worl
d will have to get used to India throwing is weight around a bit more
as it develops.
So '1' , in conclusion, I would suggest you take a crash course on
where India is, its history and current political outlooks.
Just a word of advice if you do bother to do a bit of self education,
do not get side lined by articles that mention "India & Pakistan" in
the same breath. The two countries have many similarities and
mixtures of ethinic backgrounds, especially in North India. But in
terms of economic and social freedoms India is a colossus next to
It is conveniant for western journalists to link these two countries
as if they are inseperable twins. For an American it is similar to
always hearing your country being refered to as " USA & Mexico" in
newspaper articles. When plainly this would miss most of the
differences between the USA & Mexico.
In a time when Americans might be feeling uncertain about how they are
perceived as people, I can assure you that Indians have no animosity
to American citizens, but they do feel aggreived that the USA
government seems to always lump India in with all other countries in
the Middle East and they are slowly getting fed up with being taken
for granted and treated in the same equal fashion as Pakistan.
Perhaps it is India's political closeness to the Soviet Union and now
Russia. But this only came about because after India was invaded by
the Chinese in the mid 60's , only the Soviet Union came to India's
aid and would supply arms to India to replace its aging British
equipment. In 1975 , after US lobbying, the People's Republic of
China was given the permanent China seat on the UN security council
and so it was now in a position to veto any Indian concern about
Chinese aggression in Tibet and it northern border. It became
imperative for India to develope the nuclear bomb as a deterant
against the Chinese bomb. It is a common mistake in the West to think
that the Indian bomb was developed to counter Pakistan, which is
absurd when the two are so dissimilar in the size of their
conventional armed forces. The Indian nuclear bomb was developed as a
defence against China and it still is a vital defence against China.
But since then China has outflanked India again by giving the bomb to
Pakistan, who of course has now passed it on to other oppressive
regimes in the area.
Apologies to the rest of this group for a digression away fron Cad
into politics, but I heard good news the other day. The Indian
Government is now allowing people abroad, of Indian descent, to take
up Indian citizenship and I will be applying for my passport in due
course so I think it is important to get across to the rest of the
world common misconceptions about India. Indians in the past have
often just kept their heads down and got on with life without
complaint. But then again, most are Hindus (although I am not, nor my
Indian relatives) and they can afford to be patient as they will be
coming back for another go at life, when they finish their current
As a final uplifting thought - When it comes to outsourcing, do not
forget India has a great tradition of bureaucracy and litigation,
(uncles of mine in the distant past have sued each other over buckets
of water!) and like the the USA, India shares aspects of English
Common Law and Legal Statues at the heart of its legal system. The US
should look to outsourcing lawyers to India ;-) !! You will
certainly get a cheaper job done and can harass any opponent in the
US courts with legal writs for years to come without much expense, if
you employ an Indian lawyer.
I have just realised I used the phrase 'long winded' at the beginning
of this long winded rant, so I'd best stop.....
There's no room for this personal racist crap here. Who's doing the
programming has nothing to do with who chooses what they work on.
Outsourcing may be a problem for other reasons but the race of the
programmer has nothing to do with it. Time to crawl back under the rock...
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