Dude, you have swallowed every bit of that blab that some Autodesk salesman
has pumped into you. Since it sounds like you've already laid out the cash
for Inventor, it might be cruel to tell you that SolidWorks users are not
going to be forced to convert to Catia.
Catia and SW are far too different products to be used interchangably.
They rarely compete against one another for the same customers. SDRC users
are being upgraded to UG. Mechanical Desktop users are getting migrated to
Inventor. CV users got pushed to Pro/E. These all competed at the same
level, but SolidEdge users aren't getting pushed to UG and SolidWorks users
aren't getting pushed to Catia.
Frank wrote in news:4172B35A.4AF993C1
Typically when something like this happens there are news releases
from both sides to keep stock holders and the CAD world informed. I
haven't seen any of those from SW. There is certainly no upgrade path
like file translation utilities.
We had a SolidEdge Rep in a couple of months ago and he couldn't stop
talking about how every other program out there was low level CAD and
SE was the only program that gave you the room to expand (ie: UG). It
was easy to see that he wanted to see us move our couple of seats of
SE and the rest of our CAD seats to UG.
Even though Dassault hasn't made a move to migrate the user base to
CATIA, they have to be thinking about it. Why would they continue to
develop two programs that aren't that different? Wouldn't it make
more sense to develop one product and then offer add-ons? Most
companies have their product lines this way (ex: software, car
companies, graphic cards). Even though they aren't doing it now, it's
not crazy to think they will in the future.
email@example.com (Cole Thompson) wrote in
Mainly because the business scenario for buying and using Catia is
completely different from that for buying SolidWorks. Typically, companies
don't need Catia to develop toaster ovens. Likewise, companies don't use
SolidWorks to develop commercial aircraft, cruise liners, automobiles or
locomotives. A company like Delphi might use SolidWorks to design an
alternator, but Chrysler still uses Catia for the rest of the car. I don't
see any overlap. The geometry creation is a relatively minor part of what
Catia does in a big project.
I'm not sure they "aren't that different", but aside from that; one big
reason (probably why they were interested in aquiring SW): emerging acad
flatlanders. Catia has no appeal to them and it's too furtile a market to
IF you have X users it's more cost-effective to use/develop/support
a single application/system/CAD or CAD/CAM system and you, as a
systems vendor, can probably do it a lot better.
Supplying training and support to users that don't need much
capability (or so they think) with a more complex application may
cost more though.
Get 2D AutoCad .
And what exactly was left out of SE??? I know for a fact that the SE
business unit is free to develop what they want with no regard to
infringement on NX or Teamcenter. Solid Edge provides free the Insight PDM
system and Frames design environment. Both are items you have to pay a lot
extra for in NX (UG for those that have been living under a rock).
I wouldn't believe the rumors. I don't think Dassault is that smart. They
own Catia with it's own proprietary kernel, they bought Solidworks to have a
mid-range player and haven't made a move to convert it to the Catia kernel
for interoperability, and they also purchased the ACIS modeling kernel that
essentially no one uses because it is inefficient compared to Parasolid.
I'm kind of confused by their tactics which seem to have no clear vision. I
guess it would be no pain to them to sell off a business unit or two if they
needed to since there is no symbiosis between them. Hope their stock stays
Sounds like vision to me...first was XChangeworks, which put SWX utils
into AutoCAD.... then was owning AutoCads's modeling kernel... now
they are giving
an acad clone away (Dwg Editor)
Its rather carnivorous, but who says hawks dont have great vision ?
They don't own AutoDesk's kernel anymore. AutoDesk own's their kernel
(Shapemanager. They dumped ACIS shortly after it being acquired by
Dassault). And from what I heard, the DWG Editor is a very far cry from
AutoCAD or even AutoCAD LT ( and XchangeWorks only works one way (into
ACAD/MDT) and on AutoCAD and MDT only, not Inventor.
I had the understanding that they aquired rights to an earlier release
of the ACIS kernel and were on their own from there.
If they want to rename their version to a new buzzword ... where's
jb when you need him?
Only because it is an old, obese, slob of a CAD system. Good thing both
SolidWorks and Solid Edge are young and agile and Pro/E can't run fast
enough to catch them. It's about time PTC turned a profit, too bad it was
from a tax refund instead of sales :)