Casting question

No, it's got nothing to do with American Idol or Broadway.
I've googled and looked at bunches of sites without finding what I'm
looking for, so I'm throwing myself on the mercy of the court of Usenet
(in other words, I'm desperate and am asking here as a last resort).
OK, here's the deal: I'm trying to make the simplest casting in the
world, basically a chunk o'lead to put into a diesel (Rivarossi E8) to
weight it down. Made a really nice master out of wood. Tried to make a
plaster mold with it: of course, even though I'd oiled the wood
thoroughly, it stuck to the plaster so tightly I had to bust the mold to
pieces to get the master out.
So here's my question: I know how to make the casting once I get my
plaster mold (be sure to dry to mold to remove all moisture, etc.,
etc.). What I'm having trouble with, obviously, is making the damn mold.
(It only needs to be a simple 1-piece mold, so I don't need advice on
making full molds, parting lines and such.)
Anyone familiar with casting here who can help?
Vaseline? Grease? Pull it out as the plaster is setting?
It occurred to me that I could also go down to the local foundry (yes,
there actually is one in town here, still functioning) and try to score
a little bit of casting sand. Or is there some easier way to make a
plaster mold from a wood master? The trick is trying to extract the
master from the mold after the plaster sets.
Reply to
David Nebenzahl
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:32:18 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and David Nebenzahl instead replied:
Lay plastic wrap over the wood and pour the plaster over it into a large ring with the wood in the center. When you take it out, peel the plastic wrap from the plaster. If a bit of it stays, so what? Just pour the lead anyway and the plastic won't hurt a thing.
I use Pam, baking spray for most castings. Works a treat. -- Ray
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Ray Haddad
Ray Haddad spake thus:
Hmm; don't like the plastic idea so much (what with the inevitable fold lines and all). Pam sounds more promising. Are you saying you use it as a mold release agent for masters?
I thought soaking (literally) my little wood block in motor oil for several hours would do the trick. Evidently not.
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David Nebenzahl
Ray Haddad spake thus:
I forgot to say that it's not just a plain block, but has a slot cut in it to clear a screw boss in the loco, so it'd be tricky to try to get plastic wrap around it.
Reply to
David Nebenzahl
You might try a layer or two of aluminum foil. You should be able to adapt it to the shape of your master pretty well. Be sure you don't have any undercuts or your master won't draw -- better to have a slight taper. I've done it myself and it has worked quite well.
Jim Bright
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Jim Bright
I got a reference to this groupie named Cynthia Plastercaster, but she was doing 1:1 casts, not models.
Reply to
Steve Caple
here as a last resort).
1) You don't mention draft angles - are the sides of your master perhaps too parallel? 2) Googling yielded a thread amongst potters with some ideas at
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My own experience with plaster moulds for casting lead has not been good - I never seemed to be able to get the plaster dry enough to avoid generating steam when I poured in the lead resulting in voids, or causing the mould to crack - I'm probably too impatient. I therefore make most of my lead weights in wooden moulds and avoid the master step. To avoid getting voids, I keep the wood as dry as possible and don't use any release agent. I don't usually worry about draft angles and instead make the mould partially disassembleable to remove the finished casting. As you describe, I find that for simple weight shapes, I usually can design an open top 5 sided mould to allow a simple pour of the lead. Geezer
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Geezer
Geezer spake thus:
After I retrieved my wooden master and looked at it more carefully, turned out it had a negative draft angle. I reworked it with a file and am going to attempt another mold with it.
Also found my official wax release agent, which I'm going to schmear over the master in hopes it'll keep the plaster from sticking to it.
Yes; a few hours of baking at around 300° or so should do the trick.
Reply to
David Nebenzahl
Good morning David;
I took a machine shop course in High School, and it contained a small foundry. Those who used it generally melted down pistons for the aluminum which was subsequently poured into blank moulds. I recall people using casting sand sprinkled with bone meal dust. The only other alternative is to scavenge lead-acid batteries, cut the lead slats to size and solder them together. It's been 30 years and my travels have had little to do with such projects since. Sorry if I can't be of more help.
Cheers, John
Reply to
John Fraser
You might use sheets of lead flashing (not as easy to find as it used to be, however) or lead shot glued together. Avoid the casting altogether.
Reply to
John Purbrick
On 26 Jan 2007 12:35:04 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and snipped-for-privacy@nyx.nyx.net (John Purbrick) instead replied:
I was going to suggest shotgun pellets (or small split shot fishing weights) and epoxy but that's a permanent addition to the shell. Works great, though, when you need to add it without too much fuss. -- Ray
Reply to
Ray Haddad
If it is a 'one-off' casting, have you thought about doing a lost wax casting? Shape the wax make a plaster mold around it to contain the lead then pour.
Reply to
Frank A. Rosenbaum
Why not just make the mold out of wood? I assume it's just a shaped block? It needs to split some way to get the casting out so something like a profile cut in timber of the right thickness can have ply/hardboard sides screwed on which can be removed for casting extraction. Finish shaping with a coarse file/rasp in a vice.
Regards, Greg.P.
Reply to
Greg Procter
Don't do that - the fumes from the battery acid given off will do nasty things to the cat and any other living creatures in the vicinity.
Reply to
Greg Procter
I read some earlier postings and saw the one about a slot to clear a chassis screw - make the casting without provision and drill and chisel a suitable depression to suit. Lead is soft!
Reply to
Greg Procter
. . . but you have to find old ones with lead shot, not steel.
Reply to
Steve Caple
I recommend
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for tools and materials.
Reply to
Erik Olsen DK
Good afternoon Greg;
Good point, as it's nasty stuff with which we wouldn't fare much better than the cat. I was thinking of the scenario of the acid already removed and the cells soaked in a sodium bicarbonate solution before bringing it home. Thanks.
Cheers, John
Reply to
John Fraser
Frank A. Rosenbaum spake thus:
No, but if what I'm doing doesn't work, I may try that: I've always been curious about lost-wax casting.
I guess my mold would be simple enough that I could just pour the lead in on top of the wax and let it flow out, right?
Reply to
David Nebenzahl
Plaster tends to blow up unless it's been baked forever. I have made simple molds (for lead) from wood. The wood gets burnt but a little water keeps the fire from starting. Make sure the lead has set before adding any liquid or it will explode. Safety glasses and a leather welders apron help while doing all this.
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Jon Miller

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