The CB&Q ceased to exist on March 2nd 1970 merging with the Great
Northern, Northern Pacific and the SP&S to become the Burlington
Northern. It took BN until 1977 to re-paint all the locos in pre merger
colours into BN green.
Could you please confirm my belief that the CB&Q were known to run
consists that contained many of their own 'named' cars. If correct, did
these trains also have *some* foreign rolling stock?
I have a single CB&Q, E6A engine, a half dozen CB&Q cars, and a Kato
CB&Q business car. I was considering the idea of running this train on
a schedule in the same way I will handle the ATSF "Super Chief". Each
train would come through the layout [from one hidden staging area to
the other hidden staging area] once each operating session for some
Would this proposed use of my CB&Q train items be *reasonable* ???
Well I have seen photos and videos with the occasional foreign road
passenger car in the consist, such as a SP sleeper, or a D&RGW
baggage/mail car. I think this was probably more common in the latter
days of railroad ownership of the passenger trains, 1960's era,
pre-Amtrak. This was also the time when, I believe it was the Empire
Builder from Chicago to the Twin Cities was combined with another train
and you had a mixture of cars from the Burlington and the Great
Northern running together. Again, I don't recall the exact details and
my books, etc. are still packed away in the basement since the move to
In the 1950's the Pennsy and the NYC would run basically what was a
cross-country sleeper from the east coast, New York I believe to
Chicago, to a connection there to be combined into the California
Zephyr, IIRC. Those two railroads would alternate sending their
sleeper each day, in other words, one day NYC would send theirs to
Chicago, and the next day it would be Pennsy's turn.
Sure, I suppose. I hesitate to use the term, "It''s your layout, do
whatever you want", but it seems if you're not trying to model the
prototype exactly, then I personally see nothing "wrong" or ghastly off
the wall with it. I'm thinking of it like some moving scenery to add a
bit of spice to your train running.
You're welcome. Wish I had a better memory for all of this stuff. I
usually recall just enough get by and when I need the details I can
check my references or go online to ask people who seem to remember all
of it in detail.
"Paul - The CB&Q Guy"
(Modeling 1969 In HO.)
The CB&Q handled the Empire Builder from Chicago to St. Paul. The cars
were all painted in GN colours. Since the train traveled over the SP&S
as well each railroad owned a proportion of the cars reflecting their
share of the mileage. The ownership was stenciled in small letters on
the end of the letterboard as the centre was stenciled 'Empire
Builder'. CB&Q also handled GN's Western Star, NP's Mainstreeter and
North Coast Limited between Chicago and St. Paul.
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