I buy over Ebay a Spectrum 2-8-0 to a good price EUR 58.00
The 2-8-0 it a little modern for my US-theme
date from 1900 to 1920
the drive from the 2-8-0 is good
i search for any tips and sides back-date the 2-8-0 to a Oldtimer
I don't have any personal aquaintance with this model other than the
Model Railroader review. From memory, the model has a high mounted motor
in the boiler driving to a layshaft and gears through a rubber belt so
it cannot readily be altered to an oldtimer with a low boiler.
I tried the MDC oldtimer 2-8-0 but the mechanisim needs a lot of hand
work before it runs adequately.
I now have the Fratischi (Brazil) 2-8-0 which has the, shall we say
'basic', mechanisim in the tender. This has become a European Baldwin
export loco and makes a fair representation and runs adequately. The
mechanisim is such that a motor replacement will be a simple task.
I think this Fratischi model is sold as "Modelpower" in the USa.
Locos as big as the Bachmann 2-8-0 were being built in the 190X's and
191X's. In the 190x's, these locos would have been among the heaviest,
first line freight power on the road. Builders photos and in-service photos
of the period show a notably "clean" appearance, and a lack of latter
efficiency improving accessories. I'd suggest the following:
1) Remove the generator, and replace the headlight with an acetylene or oil
type (square or round body with a square chimney on top).
2) Remove the power reverse, and run a bar directly from the cab to the
valve gear, simulating a manual "Johnson Bar".
3) Replace the cross compound air compressor under the running boards with a
"one-lung" compressor mounted above the running board directly in front of
the engineer's side of the cab.
4) Keep the air tanks, but simplify the air piping, removing the cooling
5) Remove the air-operated sander valves, and run pipes straight down from
the sand dome. For extra detail, add a small rod from the cab to the base
of the sand dome on each side simulating the operator for mechanical sanding
valves. If the loco is to be first line road power on your line, consider
only running a sand line to the first driver, as the loco would not be
expected to spend much time backing up and switching.
6) Remove the lifting injectors outside the cab, and run the feed water
lines from about 2/3 of the way up the front of the cab forward, then sloped
down, then forward again to the boiler check valves, simulating smaller
injectors mounted inside the cab.
7) Replace the solid pilot wheels with spoked ones.
8) Replace the pilot with a moderated sloped wooden one appropriate for main
9) Research your favorite RR and use an appropriate period paint and
10) Don't weather the loco. This was still the time that locos were still
assigned to a specific engineer, who would take pride in keeping his loco
clean and polished. If he was a member of a fraternal lodge, he might place
the organization's crest below the headlight on the smokebox front.
Hope these ideas help. Gary Q
Jürgen, the Bachmann loco is based on an Illinois Central 900 class
engine, which were built between 1909 and 1911. They were built to a
common design used by the Harriman-owned railroads. I don't have a photo
to hand of these engines as built, but the Southern Pacific loco shown
is similar, except for having smaller diameter coupled wheels.
Geezer's suggested modifications are all very appropriate for your
epoch, the only thing I'd add is to remove the Baker valve gear, just
leaving the connecting rod, to simulate the appearance of Stephenson
If you need it, I can find further images later today and post them.
All the best,
That's interesting, I thought it looked like an IC 2-8-0 I had seen
a pic of once. What has been previously stated is correct. The SP had lots
of acyetaline head lamps on their steam until about mid WW1, in fact a lot
of the SP 2-8-0's burned coal even on the west coast until the early teens.
I don't model the SP anymore, so I put a Bachmann Vanderbuilt coal tender
behind my 2-8-0, it really changes the looks. I have the flexibility to use
whatever I like as I model a "What if" railroad. As long as I like it, and
it burned coal, it gets incorperated into my roster.
I'd leave the cooling coils on as these have been a part of the air plumbing
since the early days of train brakes.
The lifting injectors have also been around for a long time and were in
common use at the turn of the century. The usage of non-lifting injectors
vs. lifting injectors is more a railroad practice than era. Some railroads
prefered one over the other. Rotary pumps are more a modern device than the
The rest of the advice is good as things like the solid steel pilot was also
a modern thing.
Why isn't there an Ozone Hole at the NORTH Pole?
"John Franklin" schrieb ...
Niedersachsen, near Wolfsburg, the Home of Volkswagen Automobile
i am born 1947
in my Hometown (Triangel / Niedersachsen) the last regular Steam ~~~ i think
1965 / 1966 ~~
Triangel is on the Railroad-Route Braunschweig / Gifhorn / Uelzen
I hope this Help
"Michael Hirschler" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
Ten Years later in Germany
In my Hometown at 1965 foreward Dieselcars (Passenger) and Diesel (V200)
ok 1 - 2 x the week came a 2-10-0 with a freighttrain
Only a factory in Triangel (My Hometown) have 2 little Steamswitcher (0-4-0
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:39:20 UTC, mark_newton
Sorry Mark, but the only resemblance the Bachmann loco has to the
Harriman design is the wheel arrangement. On the Espee list it was
agreed that to convert a Bachmann 2-8-0 to a Harriman you must throw
away everything but the pilot truck, the drawbar and the motor. I am
not too sure about the pilot truck either.
It is a lot like the I.C.2-8-0's, It also is very close to the C&NW
Zulu's and can be modified into a good model of one. I had an old brass
I.C. model and it was close except details, especially the sand dome.
The IC 2-8-0s were received from Baldwin with the round sand dome, per
the Bachmann design. The IC sent them to the Paducah, Ky. shops and
put the rectangular sandboxes on.
Looking at the photo a previous poster linked to of an SP 2-8-0, I
would have to agree with the statement that the only thing the Baldwin
shares with it is the wheel arrangement. The cylinders, for starters,
have the valve chambers mounted inboard of the crosshead, the boiler is
a flat-top cylindrical design, the domes are in the wrong places, the
cab is wrong, etc., etc., Furthermore, the firebox on the Harriman
loco sits between the rear drivers. The Baldwin loco has a wide
firebox which sits above the drivers.
Regarding lifting vs. non-lifting injectors: most railroads and loco
builders switched to non-lifting injectors because they are inherently
more reliable in delivering water to the boiler. They work on a lower
steam pressure, as well. Trust me, you haven't lived until you've
tried to get a cranky lifting injector to "pick up" when your water
level in the boiler is below the lowest try cock! Very scary!
It should be noted, however, that lifting injectors were placed outside
the cab as often as not (the above referenced SP loco is an example).
The actuating lever on some of the later versions could be operated
with a reach rod as well as directly - see the design and placement of
the injectors on a USRA Light Pacific. One reason for having it in the
cab, though, was to make it easier to whack it with a hammer to loosen
it up when it refused to pick up. :-) It also kept them from freezing
up in cold climates.