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That's the sort of thing!

Sure, but even rare birds should have names. :-)

Regards, Greg.P.

Sure, there are lots of vehicles that ride on bogies. The list would have been too long and at least two thirds of those would be wagons.

Those don't have a bogie.

Possibly that's the only use of the term "gondola" outside the US.

Ok, everyone is wrong ;-)

No, we now know what you mean, but the question was why do you call your open wagons/trucks after Italian smooth water craft?

A "Mason truck" would sound like a tradesman's vehicle!

But are they "New In Box"?

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We use it for communication between (German/French-speaking) European and Chinese companies. I guess it can be used in such situations where English is a means of communication between countries with no other language spoken by both.

I said in North America Greg. In North America they are called trucks, not bogies. Other parts of the world are different. When in Rome . . .

I guess that was too much of an "inside joke" to work. It is from a song by Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead "Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend", which, I think, was from the movie "Easy Rider". "Bogart" means refusing to share, and "joint" is slang for a cigarette made with Cannabis Sativa instead of tobacco. . Froggy,

Yes, but the Aussies have a little wagonoid thing that is a complete vehicle to which they refer as a truck. It has two axles and is quite small by NA standards. I think I have heard it called a steel truck, or something like that. I am still learning about Australian stuff.

In North America, Greg. You do things differently in New Zealand. I know what you mean and can read and understand what you write without being compelled to "correct" you according to North American procedure.

That was a question, not a quiz. I don't know. I just know that English is the most bastardized language on the planet. It takes whatever it wants from any other language and incorporates it into the lexicon mostly intact.

Not quite. Truck in railway context cannot be confused with truck in highway context here, because one is a set of wheels, the other is a complete vehicle. The word means two different things, but they are also contextually different.

A car is a passenger automobile or a railway device for carrying freight or passengers. Because they are contextually different, there is no mistaking one for the other.

Why do you say get ON the train, but get IN the car. You don't get ON the train, you get IN it, same as the car. Drive on the parkway and park on the driveway. Beats me. Froggy,

We have repeatedly said that we don't know. Possibly because the thing looks somewhat like an actual gondola from Italy. We have more Italians in the Northeast US than they do in Italy, so maybe that's where the name came from.

Froggy,

Sounds good to me. Froggy,

I would have assumed that wagons from Kansas and Nebraska also rolled over the lumpy bits of the USa(?)

Regards, Greg.P.

The price is reasonable - for anyone with more money than sense!

If you asked the Chinese to create a truck to go under a wagon they might create a mangled Volvo/Mack or for a truck to go under a car perhaps a car transporter truck!

No you didn't - try to remember that I'm a practicing pedant! ;-)

I'm not in North America and (I assume) you're not in Rome. :-)

I lost my Easy Rider LP at a party some time in the early 70s (sob) "Joint" is fairy universal but "bogart" doesn't take me past Casablanca.

Regards, Greg.P.

"> The first railway 2 axle trucks originated in the US and arrived in Britain

ummm I take it you havent seen the Pennines or the west coast route?... or the Highland Railway ?there are thses bumps in the landscape........ Beowulf :)

I guess the point I'm getting pedantic on is that a "truck/bogie" is equalized and any body balanced on top of it would flop, either backwards or forwards, while a 4 wheel "truck/wagon/van/..." is sprung at each axlebox and the body is built directly (and rigidly) on the frame. Therefore a US "truck" does not equate to the Aussie "truck".

Actually, we do much the same as in the US these days. Only the terminology varies.

The only bit where I've attempted to "correct" you is in the misuse of the term "Talgo". The rest has been a light-hearted exploration of terms.

Sure - but it's often interesting to follow through to the origin both of the word and the usage in question. The US adoption of Gondola for a railway wagon wasn't so far back that it can't be looked at.

There have been numerous attempts (worldwide) to make trucks which can be used on railway tracks, either singly or as part of a train.

Again, there have been many examples of adapting cars to run on railway lines. The "Galloping Goose" series in the US, for example.

With the earliest trains, one did get ON the train. That usage continues.

Given that this is an open forum, isn't it possible that someone here does know?

Wow - I don't think I see that! ;-)

ok.

By NZ standards those are flat. :-) I take it you haven't seen the NZ Canterbury Plains? Last time my daughter took me for a flight (she's a pilot) we were skirting the tops of the rolling bits at

Regards, Greg.P.

For the same reason we call free-standing store shelving units gondolas...

CL

Possibly why we raise vegetables for sale at the Saturday market in a truck garden...

Not enough iron in the soil for a bogie garden, I reckon...

CL