Re: Passenger Trains: Car Cards and Waybills?

Nov 22, 2003 2 Replies


into "operations" on a freight dominated layout.


>
>1. Do you use car cards and waybills much like you would with a coal >'unit train'?

Actually, on my layout, I use actual railroad documents to put my passenger trains together. I model the New Haven, and I have in my possesion a copy of a New Haven Transportation Dept. "Passenger Train Consists" book. Using actual timetables and real documents gives me that added touch of realism that I like. This consist book tells me everything I want to know about which trains had which kinds of cars on what days of the week for 1953 (the date of the book). For example, Train 26, the "Merchants Limited" (the New Haven's top train from NY to Boston) on a Monday had, in order from head to tail:


1: Parlor-Lounge (3 Drawing Room, 2 Roomette, 28 Lounge seats & a pay phone)
3: Parlors (36 Chairs)
1: Diner
1: Tavern Lounge
2: Coaches
1: Grill
2: Coaches

So, I don't need waybills or car cards if I have my Consist book.


2. Are certain passenger cars spotted and left behind while the train
>assumes other cars as it continues to its next location?

Sure. Take for example NH Train 3, the "Owl", and overnight sleeper between Boston and NY. It would pick up sleepers in Providence on the way. On Thursdays, it had:


2: Coaches From Boston to GCT
3: 14-4 Sleepers "
1: 8-6-1-1 Sleeper "
1: 14-4 Sleeper "
1: 14SB Sleeper "
1: 10-1-2 Sleeper "
2: 14-4 Sleepers "
1: 8-1-3 Sleeper From Providence to GCT
1: 14-4 Sleeper From Providence to GCT

Except on Sundays, when it had a Baggage car of Newspapers from Boston that it would drop off in Providence.


3. Is there an agreed upon method of combining freight [95%] and
>passenger service [5%] into a model railroad, operating system?

Not at all. It depends on how deeply you want to get into passenger operations. IMHO, there are far too many model railroaders that see passenger trains as some kind of "window dressing": just something thrown on the layout to get in the way of the freight trains. In actuality, passenger operations can offer all the variety of freight operations with the added pressure of doing it "on the advertised". See the great "Maumee Route" articles in old MR's from the 1990's to see a guy doing it right.


4. With the "Super Chief" passenger train, are there any acceptable ATSF
>freight cars that would ever be in tow?

Have no idea about the Super Chief, but I doubt it. The New Haven used boxcars and such all the time on the lower class trains (never on the "Merchants" or the "Yankee Clipper"). But these were special boxcars with steam and signal lines passing through. The Pennsy was the same.


5. W/o car cards and waybills, how do you delay the train at each
>location since bins would not be in play as they are with car cards?

Train Orders. Write up a Train Order sheet and tell the engineer what to do, including waiting for a meet, switch out a car, etc. These can be pre-positioned before operations start if you know ahead of time what you want the engineer to do...


Paul A. Cutler III


************** Weather Or No Go New Haven
**************

On diners, some railroads covered a schedule with on diner for both trains. Since no one eats meals between about 8PM and 5AM some runs the diner wold be set off at a particular station after the last call for dinner was finished. The car would be restocked at that station and picked up by the reciprocal train before the first call for breakfast. CPR had a system like this for a run over the Kettle Valley line. The diner was set off at Midway BC (or Grand Forks BC depending on the year) W/B and picked up there E/B. That was to avoid hauling an empty and heavy non revenue car over the grades empty both ways.

On Mail, you could have a working RPO doing online sorting as well as storage mail cars. There are also seasonal variations (think Christmas mail and quarterly Sears catalogs)in mail volume. On GN for example the management was actually more interested in the on time performance of the Fast Mail or Western Star than the Empire builder despite the EB being the flagship passenger train. The mail contact was big money & they did not want to lose it to NP or MILW. Remember that the Post office eventually canceled all the mail contracts, many low ridership trains were terminated the day after the mail contract was canceled.

My time table involves a night mail, same cars used on mainliners in two directions, all sleepers, sleeper, diner and passenger cars, local passengers and combines, various individual RPOs on locals, and express service.

City station has 4 tracks for passenger/sleepers, siding for RPO and comissary, siding for REA and team track. Am working in a spot for icing reefers. Major industry is steel with coke, limestone, iron ore arriving and ingots shipped to mills. All this with GG1's and catenary.

Double track mainline and extensive branch activity. All in an around the wall 10 x 10

It looks like New Jersey or urban Pennsylvania.....

Jim Stewart

Join the Discussion

Have something to add? Share your thoughts — no account required.

Didn't find your answer?

Ask the community — no account required