Yes, "Flying Scotsman" probably did, as did the rest of it's class, as they
were regularly were diagrammed to pull freight trains. Even A4s, the class
of locomotive that hold the world's speed record for steam, were diagrammed
to haul freight trains.
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Reckon 99.99% of the group could say "Never!"
Denmark more likely to win the World Cup :)
Such coach/freight trips were seen occasionally on isolated branches
and were always hauled by smaller locomotives that were proper to the
Certain freight vehicles were attached to passenger trains. These
were usually vans and would be designed for high speed work and would
have fitted brakes as well. I'm not sure if the Flying Scotsman
would have worked a passenger train with fitted vans, but I reckon it
probably would have done since these types of trains were fairly
common. The cargo carried would normally be one which required the
fastest delivery speed - such as perishable foods or newspapers.
Ah well, what about delivery trips for coaching stock from works? I've seen
several corridors marshalled at the head of a fitted freight with quite
large LMS locos, including Pacifics, at the head.
LMS Soc Coaching steward
Some UK railways ran milk vams as part of passenger trains (the GW
at one time, for sure, and there may have been others) and some
sections of the L&NER included fish vans in passenger trains (the
ex-NBR section did, there may have been other areas). Passenger
trains might also include non-passenger stock (newspaper vans,
parcels vans), but they looked very much more like passenger stock
than the classical short-wheelbase goods wagons.
Certainly any non-passenger stock marshalled in a main-line
passenger train in the 20th century would have been "fitted"
- that is, have continuous vacuum or air brakes - which most
british goods stock of the 1920s-50s didn't have.
"Andrew Robert Breen" wrote
The Midland Railway ran milk trains from Appleby on the Settle & Carlisle to
London, but I've no recollection of them ever being part of passenger
Where freight was operated in passenger trains I believe the stock had to be
both vacuum fitted and 'XP' rated, but it was still very much an uncommon
Although can I recall an odd van being attached to the rear of the
occasional passenger train (usually DMUs) genuine mixed trains I never saw,
even though as you say fish vans (very definitely 'XP' rated) did I believe
work in passenger trains from here in Hull.
Genuine mix trains worked on the Hayling Island branch. IIRC, These trains
ran with unfitted goods vehicles on the rear of the passenger coaches though
I don't recall a brakevan on the rear, though I'd expect to find one.
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And the Culm Valley branch.
This was an Arthur Pain light railway, like the Southwold but standard
gauge. Lightly laid and tightly curved. It served some creameries and
had a large amount of milk traffic in tankers.
Until passenger services were withdrawn, it ran mixed trains of milk
tanks sandwiched between brake thirds. Passengers were only carried in
the leading one, with the trailing one used for the guard.
In steam days it was operated by Collett 0-4-2 tanks, and before that
similar small engines.
In diesel days it was relaid to take type 2 engines. But by that time
passenger service had been withdrawn.
It was the last use of gas lit carriages, using a pair of ex- Barry
Railway brake thirds that were originally electrically lit. This was
because the slow speeds (15mph max AFAIR) weren't thought to be enough
to keep the batteries charged.
When these were withdrawn they were replaced by a pair of ex- Eastern
Region Thompson brake thirds, and these were taken off the branch for
the batteries to be recharged.
"Roger T." wrote
Though in the case of A4s at least, these freights were the
Aberdeen-London "Fast Fish" that ran to XP timings and was the LNER's second
most important train after the Flying Scotsman. Understandably so, it
probably made them more money!
Though express locos were ideally diagrammed for express passenger
services, in practice anything powerful enough could be fitted into a spare
turn to haul stock around, especially if it was fitted or fitted-head and
could thus be run at more than 25mph. Publicity and swank was good for the
railway company's image, but making a profit and keeping available motive
power in use mattered rather more. (Bulleid got around wartime rationing of
materials by solemnly swearing that the Merchant Navies were a mixed-traffic
loco, though anything less suitable for the job you could scarcely imagine,
especially on the adhesion front...)
It also depends in which period you model. When new, the big steam locos
were reserved for top-link work: if you model the mid-60s then all steam,
however fancy in its day, was officially regarded as third-division junk fit
only for freight, banking and stopping work. Latterly in their careers,
Jubilees were seen working four-van locals and the Britannias ended their
days sent to Carlisle Kingmoor to keep freight moving over the upper reaches
of the WCML while the diesels did the prestige passenger diagrams. A batch
of A4s were sent to work services north of Edinburgh, but meanwhile the
Eastern Region dieselised relatively early, so the remaining Pacifics were
ruthlessly scrapped at Doncaster and the V2s, a better all-round loco, were
caned into the ground on freight work before going the same way in short
order. On other regions, it wasn't so much that Pacifics were demoted to
freight, more that 9Fs were so much better locos that they were promoted
(against headquarters advice) to express passenger duties.
Flying Scotsman was rescued for preservation in 1963 so didn't
participate in this scramble, but if you're modelling 1965-68 there's little
excuse to attach prestige coaching stock to Pacifics unless you're doing
hi occasionally it did pull express perishable frieght vans (fish marked
with blue circle) either as whole train or as part of express passenger
train. I also have it on the authority of a driver during the 1960's that
the A3's (Flying Scotsmans class) and even A4's (Streamlined class of which
Mallard was a member) were available for frieght duties but this was only
towards the last days of steam.
Hope this is of helpful
A3s and A4s were used on goods trains in L.N.E.R. days, not just late BR
days. Overnight fish trains were one of the scheduled goods trains that
used even A4s.
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And the Queens certainly worked mixed trains: there's a lovely bit in
Ahrons about the milk wagons which in those days were attached to the
main up west of england expresses and the late running which resulted
from the excessively lactic qualities of the wessex cow.