Definitions please

I'm in the US and unfamiliar with UK names for coaches, especially those of
teak. Can anyone help me understand the following?
Brake third
Locker composite
Brake composite
Brake van
Thanks in advance.
Reply to
Tom Spence
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Like a combine.
Third class is like coach. The combine part doesn't just consist of baggage but has a guard's compartment (conductor) which has a screw-down handbrake and also a brake valve to operate the air or vacuum brake whichever one it is fitted with.
Sometimes called a van third.
First class and third class accommodation in the same car.
A new one to me.
First and third class accommodation plus a small guard's and baggage compartment.
On a freight train, like a caboose. On a passenger train like a baggage car. Both have a accommodation for the guard/conductor and brakes he can operate.
Reply to
Christopher A. Lee
In message , Christopher A. Lee writes
This is probably a compartment coach with first and third class accommodation and a luggage (locker) compartment.
A search on Google will show some examples.
Reply to
Bill Campbell
A third class passenger coach with a guard's (brake) compartment, normally also has room for parcels and large items of luggage.
(As distinct from a full brake which has no passenger accommodation.)
Every rake of coaches has to have at least one brake vehicle. It has a handwheel-operated parking brake.
A coach with both first and third class accommodation, usually separated by a central transverse vestibule.
Don't know, sorry.
As "brake third" above but with both first and third class accommodation.
UK term for a "caboose".
You're welcome!
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Way back near the beginning of public railways, a law was passed that all normal passenger trains must include 3rd class seating. I think the law further stipulated that the carriages should have roofs and seats and that a penny per mile(?) was the maximum charge. Eventually one railway (LMS?) got bored with providing 3 seperate classes and deleted their second class - hence 1st and 3rd only.
As British railways are so (relatively) flat, goods trains could historically be run without brakes on every vehicle. The locomotive brakes and a heavy 4 wheel van with manually applied brakes at the rear were considered to be sufficient. It was a policy which resulted in hundreds of thousands of unbraked 4 wheel coal wagons hauled by low powered 0-6-0 goods locomotives trundling at 15mph across the British countryside until the 1950s. The term "Brake(van)" was extended to the passenger train luggage/ guard vehicle even though passenger trains in Britain have had automatic braking for the last 150 odd years.
Greg.P. NZ
Reply to
Greg Procter
The Midland, in the early 20th century.
But second class was a long time disappearing. It lasted until the 1950s on some Southern Region boat trains.
Reply to
Christopher A. Lee
Late 19th century. 1880s, ISTR.
And they wern't the first. That was the Great North of Scotland, which certainly didn't have 2nd class by the 1860s and may have never had it (need to check, but the source for the 1860s bit is Ahrons, who may be considered a reliable witness).
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Andy Breen

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