On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:25:12 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
I don't think Trevor is that old :-) The S Scale MRS has been on the
go since 1947.
And just about everything for S has to be scratchbuilt in the UK,
hence the reason that there are not hundreds of layouts floating
around. I saw Trevor recently and he is now upgrading all his locos
with inside working valve gear :-)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:36:40 -0000, "John Turner"
Over the past twenty or so years layouts from Les Bevis-Smith (Thame),
Trevor Nunn (Wicken and East Lynn), Jas Millham (Yaxbury) and Barry
Norman (Lydham Heath) have been regular exhibits on the exhibition
circuit. I think Trevor Nunn has been exhibiting East Lynn at least
six times per year in recent times since he retired. I don't think
you would class any of these layouts as shunting planks with scenery.
I've just checked the latest edition of the S Scale Gazette and Trevor
Nunn is down to show 'East Lynn' at Newbury (Feb), Tonbridge (Feb),
Abingdon (Mar), Macclesfield (Mar), Leytonstone (May) so far this
year. Two newer layouts on the circuit are 'Grove Ferry Junction' by
Robin Fielding showing - just - at St. Albans, Brighton (Feb) and
York (Mar), and 'Aberlady' by Bill Blackwood at Glasgow (Feb). So
there are a fair few opportunities at the start of this year and
spread fairly well around the country.
Jane Sullivan said the following on 17/01/2008 22:06:
The Scalefour Society is a society (!) that works to P4 standards. The
history is complicated, but the gist is that the Scalefour and Protofour
Societies were at war, then they merged, and kept the Scalefour name
whilst working to Protofour standards. Something like that, anyway!
It's not actually about a specific gauge though - it's to promote scale
modelling at 4mm:ft. The Finescale Narrow Gauge Study Group is an Area
Group within the Scalefour Society, and there are also people within the
Society modelling broad gauge of both GW and Irish varieties, and I'm
sure a whole host of other gauges, but all 4mm:ft.
More info at http://www.scalefour.org/ - look at the About" page and
ignore the bit where it mentions a specific gauge :-)
Christopher A.Lee said the following on 18/01/2008 11:40:
That certainly hasn't been the case since I've been a member - I assume
you're talking about the time of the Scalefour/Protofour argy-bargy,
which does sound pathetic in hindsight. I was too young to have even
heard of them at the time :-)
I'd have thought it would be a bit difficult to prove that a buyer
wasn't a member of another society though!!
for supply to members only
IMO that "members only" policy for supplies is shooting yourself in the
foot bigtime. If I wanted to try out P4, I wouldn't want to have to pay
a membership first. Just flog the stuff to anyone that wants it. I
suspect they are underpricing the supplies, ie, not making enough profit
to be able to commission further development of parts. If that's the
case, they need a rethink of their aims and objectives IMO. The good
modelling they do will attract attention and admiration, but it isn't
enough to bring in new members. You have to make it easy to try out P4.
Contrast this with Proto:87, which is a proposed NMRA standard:
and available commercially:
It's one thing to run a club shop and possibly earn a few bob for
the clubs coffers, running a business is a whole different kettle
of fish. "Members only" won't attract the attentions of the Inland
Revenue for a start, and doesn't require paid staff.
Life's too short to short anyway.......
I have become... comfortably numb
You don't have to pay membership first. The Society puts on public
shows around the country each year, and has a stand selling Society
products to anyone who wants to buy them. You also don't necessarily
need to buy P4 stuff from the Society either - Ultrascale, Exactoscale
and C&L both sell all you need to get you going and you can buy P4
wheels easily enough. Really, the Stores is offering readily available
stuff at discounted prices for members - it doesn't need to make a
living from selling stuff. There is some stuff only available through
the Society, but AFAIR nothing essential. Don't forget also that the EM
Gauge Society also supports P4 if you happen already to be a member.
Also, this policy is common to every society I'm a member of, so it
certainly isn't unique to the Scalefour Society.
This is a bit of a sensitive area - just mention "CRS" and watch some
Society members flinch :-)
This is a genuine question - why do you think it isn't easy to try out
P4? Of course it should be easy, so it would be interesting to hear a
non-member's opinion of why it isn't. Attracting a continual flow of
new members is essential to every society, so if there are reasons why
people are being put off they should know.
Re-gauging Bullied pacifics without throwing away the any of the proprietary
chassis stops me...
To be even more brutal, the whole P4 scene seems to revolve around two ways,
1. Building over several decades a stock of exquisitely accurate steam locos
in no more than single digits total, and running them on layouts the size of
a short plank;
2. Only doing diesels/electrics, which happen to be easier to convert
Neither of these appeal to me, so I stick with the inaccurate but more
straightforward to get into 'Intermediate 00'. I can buy RTR to my heart's
content, and know that I only have to adjust the back-to-backs occasionally
to get a vehicle running well, and then I can fairly quickly enjoy the
pleasure of running my stock, not just building it all the time.
I'd love for 00 to be replaced by an 'Intermediate 18.83', but I don't think
it will ever happen ('Intermediate 18.83' is my term for the idea of a set
of standards that aren't as anally retentive as P4, which is trying to be as
accurate as it's possible to be - fine for those micro engineers who want to
live to those standards, but useless for the general modeller).
All the above is, of course, all in my humble onion.
It's each unto their own. These days I prefer making things to running
them, previously the reverse was to some extent true. Neither is right
or wrong. While making something, fiddling about with it to "improve"
it is no big deal, but even now I'd not be happy buying something
ready-to-run and then having to fiddle with it to make it work. That
somehow goes agianst the grain, even if it's not terribly logical!
I have become... comfortably numb
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