Minor ebay gripe

Fil Downs said the following on 22/03/2006 22:54:

Just as a point of interest, insurance/tracking is the seller's responsibility, not the buyers. You can choose to put different terms in your auction, but Paypal especially will not recognise them. If a buyer pays by Paypal, claims the goods haven't arrived and puts in a claim, you *will* lose that claim if you can't provide a tracking number. This is not my opinion, this is how it works, whatever you or I may think of that system.

On my own auctions, I "self-insure" for low value stuff - i.e., I will send it untracked, but if the buyer claims non-delivery, I will have to take their word for it and refund (I'm talking up to about a fiver here). This works on the principle that most people are basically honest, and if they are going to rip me off for a fiver, then they are more desperate for money than I am! I have never had to refund yet. Higher value items definitely go tracked, and if an item reaches a far higher price than expected, I will pay the extra insurance out of the "profits" - I certainly won't ask the buyer for more money.

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Paul Boyd
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Yes you have to be careful with accepting Paypal, paying with it is a bit like having some sort of kingly seal on your order. At a mere whim the buyer seems to be able to claim for anything....! :)

I am tending to do only recorded delivery on ALL auctions now, 66p can be built in to the shipping easily. It's when the item is worth more than £30 - you have the tracking proof for Paypal, but it's then up to the seller whether they insure their item buy paying extra for special delivery. As far as I can see there your terms can still stand....but only if you're sending to a CONFIRMED address....

Cheers Paul! ~Fil

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Fil Downs

"Fil Downs" wrote

It's the same with credit cards, the seller is responsible for safe delivery.

John.

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John Turner

Fil Downs said the following on 23/03/2006 08:59:

Oh yes - this confirmed address fiasco! I wish there was a way to be able to refuse Paypal payments from people who don't have a confirmed address - it ought to be mandatory to confirm your address!

For the uninitiated, a seller has almost no protection if a buyer has an unconfirmed address, but eBay auctions don't provide a way of differentiating. To confuse the matter further, there is also a difference between being Confirmed and being Verified (I'm both). What a mess!

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Paul Boyd

Not withstanding the "Sale of Goods Act" gods be with it, there are millions of ebayers under the same rules (of ebay) in dozens of countries. Not all have the same rules and most are not applicable in the broad sense. Only ebay rules are universal in this respect and I believe that is what is at debate here. Most anecdotal evidence in this thread appears to indicate ebays tendency towards sellers ( after all, that is where their profit lies) but without the far more numerous buyers there would be no market ( just as in real life) and if sufficient of these get cross and take their money home then everyone suffers. To concede the point that a transaction is not terminated until the buyer expresses satisfaction simply opens the way for buyer bullying or at least threatening. I believe that where-ever the termination point is accepted to be it should not be possible for anyone to see the fB until that point is mutually agreed. Hopefully then both rogue traders and irrascible buyers would think twice about their actions.

Peter A Montarlot

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peter abraham

"Paul Boyd" wrote

We generally insist that buyers using an 'unconfirmed' address pay extra for recorded delivery in the UK or 'international signed for' elsewhere.

John.

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John Turner

Do you not have that hang-up as well Fil, when you are selling?

ROB

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Robert Flint

Hmm...I'm certain I've seen on the checkout page of a well-known eTailer that products were sent at the risk of the buyer and that insurance was extra....wonder what loophole they use...you probably joined their 'private club' or somesuch when ordering...

~Fil

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Fil Downs

Yes Rob, but only when I'm selling. Not when I'm buying. If the buyer has received the goods I sent him and has not left +ve, then there's something wrong. And I always sort things out before muck flinging. I appreciate that some sellers don't like to sort things out, but not me.

If the buyer's happy with his delivered goods, it doesn't make sense for him to refuse to leave +ve because the seller hasn't left any for him yet, if he does then he is deliberately keeping his own rating lower than it could be.

I understand it's totally different when the buyer is not happy with his goods - it's much easier to leave -ve when you know you can't get any in return. Leaving a -ve isn't the quickest way of getting your money back of course. In fact it's probably the quickest way of ensuring that the satisfaction of leaving it will be your only compensation!

I'm a reasonable seller, and I protect myself from dodgy buyers by, when selling at least, leaving feedback 2nd or not at all. I've refunded and compensated and sorted things out but not had to exchange -ve as yet.

My policy has stood me in good stead over several years with over 1200 unique +ve's - but I have still given more +ve's than I have received - due to sellers who can't be arsed to return the +ve I've left them. AFAIK I have never failed to return a +ve to a buyer.

Cheers! ~Fil

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Fil Downs

"Fil Downs" wrote

Nah, we use the same 'exclusion' on eBay, but there are certain circumstances when we couldn't enforce it.

John.

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John Turner

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