I would like to get pics (if any) of any factories where Pullman Carriages
were built..... Alternatively if someone has web addresses or names of books
with detailed works pictures that'd be brilliant.
.....yes, I am thinking about building a scale model of a Pullman factory
I know that there is a chapter in the Dow and Lacy book on Midland Coaches on
the Pullman coaches used on the Midland Railway. It's a while since I've read
it but I think the original Pullman cars were imported from the US, then the
Midland took over and built its own - probably in its own workshops. If you
are looking for pictures of the interiors of railway coach building works, then
there are several in Bob Essery's book on Midland Coaches.
Also, I don't think there were that many Pullman coaches in the UK so you might
find that it was never worthwhile to have a factory purely for the construction
of the Pullman coaches.
I'll dig through the Dow and Lacy, and Essery books to see what's there, but
anything in them will be from the Victorian and Edwardian period, and the
construction of Pullman cars continued well into the 20th century..
thanks for the info and offer!
I guess I am interested in Hornby's offering of Pullman Coaches and may have
wrongly assumed they were British and actually made.
Also, I imagine any carriage works would do as a Pullman factory - I just
don't have any pics of that type of thing at all
I did a quick Google around this morning when writing the first message and it
looks as though most of the Pullmans built in the 20th century were built in the
UK, and at existing carriage and wagon works. In the early days in the 19th
century and early 20th century, the Pullman cars were supplied from the US,
either ready built, or as a kit of parts.
I'm not sure of the lease arrangements with the Pullman company. I think I
remember that the railway companies in the 19th century wanted a bigger piece of
the Pullman style action and either went in to direct competition with their own
rolling stock, or negotiated a better deal in using the Pullman name. You
could argue that the appearance of the Pullman coaches on British railways in
the 19th century probably was one of the biggest incentives for the development
of the comfort and opulence in the passenger rolling stock of a lot of the
British companies - the Midland, LNWR and the GWR particularly.
I do remember you could sample Pullman style travel relatively cheaply since
there used to be a London (Kings Cross) to Glasgow via Edinburgh Pullman train
where you could travel Pullman from Edinburgh to Glasgow if you paid a small
"mindesign" wrote in
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If you are talking about British Pullmans, how about the Pullman Co.
main workshop at Preston Park Brighton - nothing more than the old
LBSC locomotive shed just south of Preston park station (were the
Cliftonvile curve to Hove left the Brighton main line).
It is a six road shed, tapering from about 2/3 to two full length
roads from about 2/3 it's length, the longest roads held (IIRC 6
coaches). There were also offices and other workshops to the rear
(north) end. The building is still intact and photographs do indeed
exist of the building, both in Pullman days and it's life since.
If you can source the book "Pullman Craftsmen" - Life at Preston Park
Works 1947-1963 ISBN 0 904733 50 5 this has many B&W photo's of the
works and Pullmans in various states of repair.
Many thanks everyone for the insight and information
as mentioned, it is the British Pullman carriages that have my interest
(though if I were modelling US profile, I would LOVE to have some of their
I never made the connection between autopilots and the George Ad as I have
never seen it - I would love to have that emblazoned across the side of the
factory as a billboard so passengers riding past on one of the "bone
shakers" see it and yearn for a ride in the best.
In North America, all Pullman porters were called "George".
George was not a very nice man to work for, if you were a porter, they were
not paid overtime for example. However, for a black man, landing a Pullman
porter job was something to aim for as the pay, while not great and the
hours could be long, was better than most could hope for.
Home of the Great Eastern Railway
If you wish to pass some water,
Kindly call the Pullman porter;
He'll place a vessel in the vestibule.
If the porter isn't here,
Then try the platform at the rear;
The one up front is likely to be full.
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You'll have to search for images, as I said the building is basically
an old LBSC loco shed adapted for use by the Pullman Car Co., perhaps
post a request on the news:uk.railway group, all my own pictures /
plans of the place have gone missing due to events beyond my control
(the organisation using the building for preservation collapsed back
in the early 1990's).
No, that link and the images are nothing to do with the place ,
google probably scored that page due to the mention of 'Pullman' (or
what ever your search terms were), the building is mainly off hard
yellow brick with the floor (and pit floors) laid with black
engineering brick, in the days since the Pullman Car Co. took over the
building there were timber structures added to the West side (1/3 the
length of the building or there about) and a brick and corrugated iron
'shack' (in the shape of the lower part of a capital 'A') added to the
North end of the building - this was used for brass cleaning (hot acid
IIRC, in 4mm scale the building will be about 10ft in length, you will
probably need something like 20ft once you model the access tracks
etc. As I say, the building is still in existence and still connected
to the rail system (the building is blocked in by railway lines to the
South, East and North whilst the West side is faced by both a head
shunt from the Brighton carriage wash plant and a c. 70ft chalk
cutting face, the ONLY access to the building was via either the
railway of a wooden stair-way down the cutting face. Many of the BR /
National collection of preserved steam loco's were stored in the
building in the early 1970's, prior to the building of the NRM, due to
this lack of non railway access....
 the buildings shown in the pictures are those at the Bluebell
railway, nothing what so ever to do with the old Pullman company or
the railway building just south of Preston Park station, Brighton.
Steve, those are pics of *Sheffield Park*, home of the Bluebell Railway.
Mind you, not a million miles from Brighton. Of course, Sheffield Park is
nowhere near Sheffield, any more than Preston Park is near Preston.
These are the only pics of Preston Park I could find with Google:
There is Ygroup for Pullman interests:
You could join them and ask, perhaps?
Steve (the other one)
The prototype scales to 10ft in length, so the model has to be 10ft in
The Preston Park works look to be situated on the outside of a curve, with a
very prominent facade across the short axis, and a long axis of repeating
segments. I'd have thought it perfect just to model 3 or 4ft of the length,
stopping against the back wall, especially if one can put something on the
inside curve to restrict the viewing angles.
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Replaying via mindesign as Steve W's message hasn't shown up on my
Cheers for that URL, vary sad to see the fire damage, it is above the
office accommodation and has probably done considerable damage inside
the building.... :~(