No older versions of ACAD for sale??? Why?

Continuing with a couple of threads...
Are old copies of ACAD available second hand? I've checked ebay and Amazon and all I see is LT. There must be old copies of ACAD 14 or 2000 setting in back rooms collecting dust. But I never see them for sale. I'm I looking in the wrong places or is there another reason why these older versions aren't up for sale.
Thanks,
Toney

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Most drafters have a copy of ACAD 13, 14. But companies usually migtrate to the next version.
Dennis

It's because most people that use Autocad think that Autodesk makes the laws and Autodesk says that you can't sell it.
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Well, in fact Autodesk DOES require a license agreement to use their product, and since R14 this precludes transfer rights. Most users are honest people who prefer not to enter into pirate agreements - particularly having paid thousands for a propfessional tool, most users would not want to put themselves at risk for the good-hearted pleasure of giving the same tool to a potential competitor for free!
G Faris

That "license agreement" is not legally binding. To be a legal agreement, it would have to be agreed to BEFORE the sale.
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We have come so far with computers and software in the workplace and home that software is bought and sold over the counter just like the hardware.
Maybe software people like to differentiate it from hardware so that it doesn't have to be "... of merchantable quality" and "... suitable for its intended purpose".
Clearly in many cases the slogan "It does what it says on the tin!" does not apply to software.
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AutoCad versions before 2000 including 2000 are no longer supported by AutoDesk. You must purchase 2002 or newer.
Ed Spearman (20 years exp. w/autocad)
On 13 Apr 2004 08:34:10 -0700, ajl snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Toney Lowery) wrote:
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Just because Autodesk don't support 2000 and before why "MUST" you buy 2002 or newer?
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A) AutoCAD 'licenses' cannot be transferred, except under certain conditions, and then only with the approval of Autodesk. (i.e.: there is nothing to 'sell')
B) Autodesk isn't going to sell a license to an older product, for the same reason that your local car dealer isn't offering 'new' 1999 car models. (Yes, I know you can buy a used car - but that is a tangible object. Autodesk sells a license to use a software product.)

Software is also a tangible product. The only legal protection on that software is copyright. If one wants to sell their copy, as long as they do not sell copies or retain a copy, they can do so. Autodesk has been telling people different in hopes that they would believe it but they are blowing smoke. True, the "license" is not transferable but that simply means that they won't recognize it for upgrade or support.
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Exactly, so why would anyone pay good $$$ for something that has no value (as in support and upgradability)
+ If you're a developer - you get NFR copies + If you're a student - you get educational copies + If you're a user for profit - you either use your employers copy or buy your own (registered to you) -- any company that would pay for work done on unauthorized copies is a company you would want to avoid anyway...
The only thing left is the guy wanting to play around with it, or who things he can design a house or something --- there are many better and cheaper alternatives in this case - IntelliCAD, the $59 CAD special at the local software store, etc.

Personaly, I wouldn't buy it. I don't use it. I have, when working for someone else but, as I am now back in my regular line of work, I may never see it again. It can't do the job. Some people though, still seem to think it is the end all of CAD programs and continue to buy it.
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Just to clarify, I didn't mean you personally. I was just referring to any potential user.

I should have been a bit clearer myself. I realized that you were not singling me out. No offense taken.
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Oh er, did my response start something. As I see it ANYTHING has some value, big or small. The fact that the supplier will no longer help you out if things go wrong is just something that affects the value. You have an 50 year old car, the manufacturer (if he still exists) will not help you. But there are plenty of enthusiasts who will and specialist suppliers for bits. What is the difference with software? If it still works and can still be used and, more to the point, people still want to use it, then it will have a value. What the value is, that's a different matter. As Murphy said when asked for his opinion on the value of a donkey "To be sure, would you be buying or selling the donkey?"
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Very true. I never said that it had no value. It is like any tool. Do you throw it away when the warranty runs out?
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