You may want to correct your implication that Starrett's frame is cast.
Blade Type Micrometers with non-rotating spindle
Rigid one-piece frame of drop forged steel
Updated With Correction And Question:
Starrett's blade micrometer measures to .001
Mitutoyo's blade micrometer measures to .0001.
Mitutoyo's 0-1 blade micrometer is not painted and easier to keep
clean than black paint steel.
Mitutoyo's blade micrometer sells for less money than the Starrett and
IMO Mitutoyo's blade micrometer has a much smoother feel.
Knowing the above (and most don't appear to... until recently myself
included.) why would anyone buy the Starrett over the Mitutoyo blade
San Diego, CA
Jon, I have a Mitutoyo blade mic that has worked well for me. It
doesn't have the feel of my Etalon mics, but then that's like comparing
a Cadillac to a Chevy in my opinion.
Starrett mics with the black painted frame are crap in my opinion and I've
replaced mine over the years with Etalon.
So... what determines "feel"? All the micrometers we are discussing
are thread ground.
Starrett tells me they lap the threads together after they are ground.
My guess is that this is where Mitutoyo and Etalon do a much better
job than Starrett is doing... they probably take more time / care
more. The other factor is where the spindle goes through the frame. I
know from personal experience that Starrett often doesn't get this
right and the clearance is too tight. I cheated to make one work but
what I really should have done is make or buy a lap, buy some diamond
paste and put the spindle assembly in a collet in a lathe and lapped
I also see no one has the guts to step up and answer whether it make a
difference that Mitutoyo blade mics can read tenths using a vernier
scale and Starrett's non-digital blade mic can only read to .001.
Instead we got some other b.s. thread with a generic question that I
consider about worthless as a cheap Chinese vise knock off or paying
$1,500 for a Quad-I that has been manufactured with zero care and is
out .0005 in flatness. This country sure has gone to "s". I guess I
should be grateful because this FACT and this economy makes me a lot
San Diego, CA
I've had the same problems with the Starrett mics. I wonder if it's the fit of
the spindle or an alignment issue that causes the Starrett mics to bind?
Most of my measuring as of late with the blade mics don't require tenths, but it
is a nice feature when needed.
I like Stan Dornfeld a lot, but I think his current version of the Quad one vise
is over priced especially because they are only machined and not ground. I
haven't seen one in the flesh to really give an honest assesment.
It is very sad that we are losing our manufacturing base in this country. I
don't think this bodes well for the future.
IMO all you need is a part that has a .0001 call out and it's no
longer a "nice feature" but a necessary feature.
Nope. They are ground but the grinding job sucks. Most likely the two
Quad-I vises I saw / used were ground on a surface grinder where the
magnet was out of square to the spindle and needed to be reground.
Very, very sloppy on a vise where the asking price is so high. We
would have paid the price if the vise had been manufactured correctly.
Stan's quality control seems to be non-existent. The other vise Stan
showed me to replace the one I rejected that was out .0005 was also
out and had been smashed in shipment so badly that one end was badly
mushroomed. Stan can be nice and he can be a jerk. He's a jerk when
you point out / demonstrate that his vise is out .0005 and you don't
want to test it till you get a good one. Isn't this totally
unreasonable of me, Steve! ;>) I get the feeling Stan didn't inspect
the vises when they were delivered to him and missed that they were
ground so poorly. When you sub out critical operations you lose
I'd manufacture a vise like this myself and sell it but the concept of
dealing with shop owners who would be my customers doesn't appeal to
me because the vast majority of shop owners aren't the kind of people
I wish to be around.... kind of like most / all lawyers.
It means that quality machining is going to be a niche industry. This
is been happening since I got in the trade in 1992. An "a" hole like
Ed Huntress thinks that buying old used equipment isn't the way to go
and is a niche. As I pointed out back then, Ed Huntress is an idiot
and his concept of buying only the best equipment is for fools.
Further Ed Huntress's advise to that jerk off kid in Canada turned out
exactly as I thought it would with the jerk off kid being let go.
It's too bad that Dobe Dave has lost his drive (under the
circumstances it's understandable why he has) because this market is
designed to make an aggressive, smart, experienced and *nice* guy like
Dobe Dave very wealthy.
Would I quit my job with it's big pay, unbelievable benefits,
incredible stock options, etc. to work for someone like Dobe Dave who
knew who I was and wanted to teach me.... see one of the few posts
from Bill Triffet that tells it like it is about what someone who
wants to be a great machinists should be. I think it said something
like every year and 1/2 you should move on. One of the few specifics
that Bill Triffet has ever posted here and it's the best advise that
can be given to any machinist who wants to be well rounded instead of
just a mill guy reduced to "s" wages working with an "s" CAM system
and cheap Chinese Kurt vise knock-offs.
San Diego, CA
On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:39:10 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
YOU would use a .0001" graduated blade micrometer to check a .0001"
What is your accuracy and repeatability on that blade micrometer?
What temperature are you checking that part at?
Most people would take a step up to a gage that reads out a minimum
.00001" graduation, with repeatability of .000001". AND it would have
to be something that took operator "FEEL" out of the picture and a lot
better than simple friction or ratchet thimble.
.0001", ya, right JON, like you have ever dreamed of such.....on
poorly maintained POS machines to boot.....LOL.
My favorite part is when he says he doesn't like shop owners. Gee, I
wonder why? Because every shop owner he's ever known either slammed
the door in his face on the way in, or slammed the door on his ass on
the way out.
Could you even imagine a "Banquer Manufactured" vise? I would gladly
pay money just to see his design!
On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
So you want someone to point out yet ANOTHER of your mistakes, again!
Starrett sells both .001" and .0001" graduated Blade Micrometers......
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