On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:53:43 -0400 Eric wrote: | snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net wrote: |> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:24:15 -0400 John Gilmer wrote: |> | I tried to post before but my news server seems to have screw up. |> | |> | Anyway, I finally am seeing some LED 120 volt lamps (at Wally World.) |> | |> | They come with the warming to not use them on dimmer circuit but the best |> | application for now in our place is on an X-10 controlled light fixture. I |> | haven't tried dimming but with one "normal" lamp and one LED lamp on the |> | circuit is seems to work OK. |> | |> | SO: what's the problem with dimmers and LED lamps? What's the potential |> | for harm if you try to dim it? |> |> The way dimmers work is by chopping the wave cycles of AC into narrower |> pulses. This is OK on incandescent, although it can make the filament |> "sing" a bit. It can do nasty bad things to electronic circuitry that |> is designed for clean AC. Those pulses have a lot of harmonics that can |> have the effect of overloading the circuitry in LED and CFL lamps that |> are not specifically designed to handle it (takes more circuitry and/or |> overrated components). |> |> |> | Since I have your attention, what about CFLs? What potentially could "go |> | wrong" if you "dim" a CFL bulb? |> |> Depends on the bulb. |> |> The potential risk is it can overheat, rupture, catch the house on fire, and |> kill members of your family while burning down the house. |> | I don't know what they are doing with the 120 v LED replacements. Are | they just a full wave bridge with a dropping resistor, do they use any | filter caps? If no filtering they would flicker like hell on a duty | cycle dimmer..
One possibility is that instead of a ballast resistor (which wastes power as heat, negating advantages of using LED for efficiency), they might be using a solid state current chopping limiter. In effect this acts much like a dimmer, but is set at a level to prevent average overcurrent. If they operate at line frequency, like most dimmers do, the best case is that the ballast compensates for the dimmer, preventing the dimming from being effective. And this may overheat the ballast in the process in some way. Or maybe it would cause the ballast to not do its job and the LED chip would be burned out.
If an LED bulb assembly _is_ rated for dimmer use _and_ has a legitimate UL listing, then I'm sure UL has put that design through the tests in their fire-proof testing labs (what a cool job that might be to blow things up).