The CFA de-bagged (Was: Re: First "Del" and now "D'Alembertian"!)

Actually, just did a quick webbing and found enough to realise that the claims are founded upon feet of clay.....
1. You do not separately excite the E and H fields because
if you excite an E field, you get a corresponding H field, and vice-versa, even if it is your intention to excite separately.
2. The differential forms of Maxwell describe the fields at _EVERY_ infinitesimal point and there is no way that the attempt to excite two separate fields from two separate mechanical contrivances will result in registration at every single point. Indeed, it is doubtful that registration will be achieved at all at any infinitesimal point. In any case, as in (1) above, your E field will have its H, and your H field will have its E field already.
3. In the accepted equations describing the generated field, radiation comes only from accelerating charges. Thus the capacitive elements of the CFA will create the near field (decaying as 1/(r^2)) but not any radiated field (decaying as 1/r). I wonder if the measurements resulting in the claims for the CFA were made in the near field?
I wonder if the whole thing is intended as an elaborate hoax, and that the authors, in their original paper in Wireless World, relied on the fact that most readers' eyes would glaze over when faced with the maths of vector fields? (Remember, that in this NG we've had someone who boasts of two degrees, one in maths and the other in electronics, stating that e^(-jwt) is a function that decreases with increasing time, thus indicating that the awarding of a degree together with the professing of mathematical equations is no guarantee of competence!)
I suggest http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em1/lectures/node53.html etc as a good revising/learning/debunking cookbook. (Don't start from node 53!)

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Polly parroted:

Your first point does in fact point to the anomaly regarding points in your second point, and you have therefore pointed up the answer to your own point. As you clearly have not thought this point through, I pointedly leave its discovery as an exercise for you. While you continue to struggle for technical excellence, doing this should help point you to the requirements demanded of scientific thinking, and the possibility of also taking your first tentative steps in that discipline. Further, as a guide, scientists do not use personal pronouns in their formal writings, so you might also like to rewrite your article in such a manner.
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Spike wrote:

and what would be the point of that?
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:45:36 GMT, Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

Ask 'pointyhead'. ;-)
73 de G3NYY
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI wrote:

It's a triumph of hope over experience, given this chap's posting history - I'm sure you get the point ;-)
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Not the first time the CFA has been discussed here. The consensus is that it is nonsense. Belrose has probably done the most rigorous investigation. See the paper at http://download.antennex.com/shack/Jun00/paperdavos.pdf
I wonder who it was that is not familiar with Euler's formula.
Frank
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Someone who has recently obtained a post as a teacher of maths at a school in Strood, Kent!
Worrying, is it not?
Hardly surprising, therefore, to find that that person's greatest achievement in Ham Radio was to aspire to a licence issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme!

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From 'inventor' Hately's original descriptions of his CFA, it is so glaringly obviously a load of nonsense that anybody who takes the time to mathematically expose the fraud, himself exposes his own weakness and uncertainty in the subject and has already been partially taken in by it.
Waste no more time.
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One of my purposes in scraping off the rust from 34 years' of unused E-M theory was specifically so that I could evaluate the claims made for the CFA.
I was intrigued by the claims but at no times taken in by them.
But yes - I exposed my ignorance but not any weakness, but there is never any problem with such exposure if it is done in an open spirit of eagerness to learn!

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I see you are accustomed to self analysis. Not a bad thing.
But you unwittingly lowered yourself to the CFA level.
On the other hand, you have rapidly caught up with your true potential which exceeds mine.
I have been worried about your recent absence and silence. Fearing the worst in this gradually extending police state. Welcome back!

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Thank-you for your kind words.
At 6'3" and 20 stone, I fear that my potential, gravitational at least, exceeds that of most people!

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Polymath wrote:

...and those are just the dimensions of your head so we believe!
Toot toot old son.
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:21:46 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"

I share your concerns, Reg. Someone recently posted a quote by a US Judge, who said that an apparently benificent government is the one that we should regard with the greatest suspicion. Since 1997, the Labour government in the UK has created 1000 new criminal offences.
Source: http://www.libdems.org.uk/story.html?id 80
Someone else in this newsgroup likened the political climate in this country to that in East Germany before the Berlin Wall came down. Not a bad comparison, as it seems that the State wishes to know more about every citizen's personal affairs as each day passes. Make no mistake ... we already have a "secret police". The human rights group, Liberty, says that the UK is "sleepwalking into a police state".
It is only when one travels abroad that the insidious erosion of personal freedom in the UK really becomes clear. Interestingly, it is in countries that have comparatively recently freed themselves from extremist governments (e.g. Spain and the countries of Eastern Europe) that personal freedom is valued and respected most. To visit those countries now is like a breath of fresh air, compared to the oppressive regime we experience daily in this country.
After ID cards, it would be expected that restrictions on travel would be the next step ... as existed in Communist Eastern Europe for the latter half of the 20th Century. For example, it would make sense to prevent highly qualified medical staff from leaving the country to seek higher paid employment elsewhere.
What next?
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What worries me is that people can disappear from the streets, be removed from circulation, without any reason except that it might possibly be something to do with the Official Secrets Acts. Untruthful accusations by unfriendly neighbours about terrorist associations, for example, would be of course kept equally secret.
Relatives are barred from asking questions about missing persons.
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The National government is a Socialist one.
What other National Socialist governments were there?

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I hope your tinfoil hat is intact... Mind control waves are being sent out daily over a CFA antenna.
I have visted your gulags just south of London and obsrved the slaves of the new order as they were forced to drink warm beer at the Bull. Oh the inhumanity of it all.

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wrote:

Hi Fred,
Over here (curiously evocative of a song, that) we have taken to a British import called Soma - AKA network news, choose any flavor. The "state" advises us to wear tin-foil hats to protect against terrorism.
73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC
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Walt Davidson wrote:

For a police state to exist, the first step is to disarm the citizens.
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Uh oh, we've been crossposted with the Murricans.
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Gerry G0RTN (who thinks the post-Dunblane gun laws were unnecessary but
loses no sleep about it as he has no intentions of packing heat himself)
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Gerard Lynch wrote:

"Don't Tread On Me!", "Give me liberty or give me death!", " When in the course of human events ...", 2nd Ammendment, etc.
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