Is it time for federal licensing of locksmiths?

Gee I never heard of the "newstarget.com" code collection. Let's have a look. Looking.........................................HAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you nuts??????

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"trivia.. did you know if the doctor gives you a prescription for

Can you read where you said: "Federal law"?

1. "Federal laws" are passed by the US congress not the FDA.
2. I asked you for a code cite, obviously not knowing what that is you confused code cite with web site and linked to an article on a web site obviously hostile to the FDA that mentions a "final rule". The FDA implements dozens of "final rules" all the time. Do a google on FDA "final rule" and you will get final rules on prescription drug labeling and final rules on fruit and vegteable safety and final rules on this that and the other. You will not however find a final rule attempting to bar lawsuits against drug companies.

What you will find, after wading through a lot of hysterical prattle, is that the "law" you are babbling about comes down to an unenforceable, alledged opinion statement in the preamble to a drug labeling requirement.

From your article (snipped from a large amount of useless and irrelevant editorialistic hyperbole against the FDA):

"On Wednesday, Jan.18, 2006, the Food and Drug Administration issued new regulations regarding the labeling of prescription drugs, including regulations aimed at providing doctors and patients with clearer information about the risks associated with prescription drugs. However, in the preamble to these new regulations, the FDA inserted conclusory and legally unsupported statements that tort lawsuits alleging a failure to warn of known or reasonably knowable safety risks are preempted by federal law."

Interestingly the article you link to does not quote the actual preamble (probably because it doesn't really say what they claim) but just gives their spin on it. Even at that nothing is said about any suit for anything other than a simple "failure to warn". Not being very bright and believing pretty much anything and everything you read on some web page, no quotes required, you of course swallow this hook line and sinker and also assume that "failure to warn" means the same thing as "all lawsuits".

God help us all if you are typical of what voted today, assuming of course you could manage to find your polling place or operate the voting machines even if that was just a paper and pencil. This is a big assumption.

PS You better be careful attacking the FDA or the government will send the little green men they have operating out of Area 51 to take you away to the mother ship. Then you are off for planet zoron for a probing.

The architect does not specify that. The client does. The architect doesn't tell you what color to paint the walls or what kind of toilet paper to put in the bathrooms either. Any decision on hardware would likely take into account what the school district already uses and or cost making the client the logical one to make such a decision.

So who's decision was that? You already said the architect didn't specify beyond a handicapped lever. Somebody made the decision. .

The builder or the school. You already said the architect did not specify grade or finish so either the builder or the client i.e. the school did. Yet you blame the architect even after conceding that he made no specification b eyond the style.

not the builder-they got EXACTLY what was

No they didn't because according to you all that was listed was a "handicapped lever". The builder or client decided what grade, manufacturer, keyway and finish to use.

right or wrong..he supplied as instructed..

This is like if I tell you "Please send a "car" to pickup some VIP's from the airport. You send a 76 Pinto with lime green wipers and big rust holes where the floors use to be. Yes it's a car but anyone with a brain know's it isn't appropriate and I'm firing you because you are an idiot.

Are those marketed to those cheap consumers you are always going on about? You know the ones who make residential locks not worth selling? It makes you very jealous and anrgy that there are people with that much money to spend on door pulls huh? It probably makes you even more jealous and angry that they never even miss it and are happy to spend it on something simply because they want it. Personally if I were you it would make me pretty happy and I would start stocking and selling custom door pulls and other high end hardware to people who will buy it for custom homes but hey that's just me. Nash your teeth and be envious if it makes you happy.

Oh no. God forbid you get to sell them a high priced lock too. .

its NOW down on the school, replacing the grade 2 with grade 1. pretty soon they will be done tho, replacing 1 about every week to 10 days now..

not even STYLE.. and he certainly never considered the use or grade.. with the plans is a list of hardware..this door, shall use hinges xxxbrand, size of... and finish of, or equal.. so its back on the architect.. he said-handicapped lever...period.

(and BTW, they put keyed entry on, instead of classroom function)

because NONE was LISTED.. builder HAS to be low peson on bid, or he wont get the bid.. 'must be handicapped lever', and in the bid papers he must supply a 1 year warrenty on everything.. Are YOU going to install a $300 lock PER DOOR, if it doesnt tell you to? I think not..

go back and see what i said.. this was NOT a LOCK- this is hardware only..no place to put a key, or push a button, nor did it have a latch or anything similar, this was a pull similar to what is put on a kitchen cabinet door, except somewhat bigger..

--Shiva--

So what? The school is who fouled up in the first place. The architect didn't specify any grade. The school obviously did.

specification b

No it isn't. The architect didn't specify the client did and if the architect does specify it will be what the client told him they wanted. If the school district uses Best locks in all current locations and the acrchitect comes along and specifies Schlage for the new building that doesn't make a whole lot of sense now does it?

Read this s l o w l y a n d ca r e f u l l y IF THE ARCHITECT DID NOT SPECIFY GRADE THEN THAT MEANS SOMEBODY ELSE DID. That somebody would be who decided to use the wrong grade. Do you think the locks just magically appeared on the doors????

So who specified that? We know from your own post it wasn't the architect.

If doing less means I am going to have to come back and waranty replace them all anyway yes. Do you think the architect just draws up plans and proposals without client input? No. The school district is who ultimately let the vague specification through and they are also the ones who permitted the low grade locks to be installed.

I don't need to. I can read and comprehend the first time.

this was NOT a LOCK- this is

This is irrelevant. THE POINT IS DO YOU CONTEND THAT THESE $1700 WONDERS YOU ARE GOING ON ABOUT ARE MARKETED TO THE SAME CHEAP SOB'S YOU CLAIM MAKE IT NON-PROFITABLE TO SELL ANY LOCKSETS BUT CHEAP JUNK???????? Do you think somebody paying 1700 for a door pull will balk at paying $300 for a lock? I don't.

nor did

school dont have anything to do with the 'fine details'..thats what they pay the 10% to the Architect for

we need a lock- handicap lever-whats chepest? builder got cheapest, and NOBODY told him he could NOT do that..

cause he is too stupid to..

never been to a school board then, have you?

problem, its not A district, its ALL as far as I ahve seen.

they also DID have a BUMPABLE lock for sale of another design and finish, it was $700.. back to same story.. NO security.. according to your thinking. besides the probably $4-5 thousand dollar door they were going to put this on, could be open in 15 seconds by almost anyone..

--Shiva--

I have a better idea: let's make all locksmithing illegal. Then it can be the FBI's job. Have fun passing those entrance exams.

You inspire sarcasm and snippant replies, and you proved you can't refute anything I said in any event which is why you resorted to babbling fuckwittery.

How does the architect know what the customer wants unless the customer tells them? Does the architect know what locks the school district already uses? No. If it was done the way you think it is one school district would wind up with Yale on one school, Best on another, Schlage on the next and so on.

Which left the client and the builder to clarify what brand, grade etc. If the builder didn't and they don't get out of warranty then the builder is screwed.

Client should have told him or told the architect to tell him. If they don't make it past the warranty period it doesn't matter he will wind up replacing them.

Yeah he's an idiot. That's why he got paid a lot of money and the builder and the school are the ones with the problem. Yep he's real stupid.

I don't care if it's a school board or Harry homeowner if they don't go over details with the architect that's their problem. Hiring an architect is not a license to shirk all responsibility for the project.

"ALL" what?

How do you know the architect ignored it? How do you know the superintendent ever passed on the information?

And do you think the cheapskates you whine make residential work not worth doing are going to buy that?? It seems to me residential work just isn't profitable for you. Others are making more money off one lock and hardware for one door than you probably make in a week.

So sell them a $700 lock that does provide security. You can buy one for well under $200 which makes you $500.

So fix that too and make more money. You are a locksmith right?