7" Logan shaper problem

Dec 07, 2004 3 Replies

Gang, Anyone familiar with the Logan 7". Mine, for some reason, is "out" of parallel. The table is 4 thou higher in front than it is in the rear. Thought it was the vise, removed same and indicated on the bare table, front to back. Still out 4 thou. Can't see any adjustment - but maybe I'm just missing something.... any hints? Unusual that the



*front* of the table is higher... Posted this to the yahoo shaper group and it was suggested that the ram is possibly "drooping down" as it gets extended.... so, in response to that suggestion... I disassembled the top end of the shaper to do a little investigative work - I believe the ram is, indeed, drooping on extension. Looking at the wear marks on the mainframe, it appears NOT to be worn (hardly at all). However, on the underside of the ram, the wear is very obvious at the "head" end. The original factory markings are present at the very back of the ram. Now.... I was going to set this up on the mill and resurface the slides on the underside of the ram, and have clamped the "face" of the ram to the right-angle plate, but I'm getting strange readings down the length of the slides. Shouldn't the ways and the face of the ram be 90 degrees to each other? Anybody know how this operation was done in the factory. The slot on the top of the ram (for ram position adjustment) is also a milled surface - possibly the ways are parallel to that surface? I'm thinking now that I will just have to ignore the fact that the ways and the face of the ram are *not* 90 degrees to each other and just jig it up so I will be shaving off about 4 thou on the back end of the ram and barely touching the front end of the ram. Any suggestion/ideas would be appreciated. Thanks for any tips. Ken.


Thanks. Ken.


Have you run this by Scott Logan?

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:35:05 GMT, Ken Sterling (Ken Sterling) wrote:

||Gang, ||Anyone familiar with the Logan 7". Mine, for some reason, ||is "out" of parallel. The table is 4 thou higher in front ||than it is in the rear. Thought it was the vise, removed ||same and indicated on the bare table, front to back. Still ||out 4 thou. Can't see any adjustment - but maybe I'm ||just missing something.... any hints? Unusual that the ||*front* of the table is higher... Posted this to the yahoo shaper ||group and it was suggested that the ram is possibly "drooping down" as ||it gets extended.... so, in response to that suggestion... ||I disassembled the top end of the shaper ||to do a little investigative work - I believe the ram is, indeed, ||drooping on extension. Looking at the wear marks on the mainframe, ||it appears NOT to be worn (hardly at all). However, on the underside ||of the ram, the wear is very obvious at the "head" end. The original ||factory markings are present at the very back of the ram. ||Now.... I was going to set this up on the mill and resurface the ||slides on the underside of the ram, and have clamped the "face" of ||the ram to the right-angle plate, but I'm getting strange readings ||down the length of the slides. Shouldn't the ways and the face of ||the ram be 90 degrees to each other? Anybody know how this operation ||was done in the factory. The slot on the top of the ram (for ram ||position adjustment) is also a milled surface - possibly the ways are ||parallel to that surface? I'm thinking now that I will just have to ||ignore the fact that the ways and the face of the ram are *not* 90 ||degrees to each other and just jig it up so I will be shaving off ||about 4 thou on the back end of the ram and barely touching the front ||end of the ram. Any suggestion/ideas would be appreciated. Thanks ||for any tips. ||Ken. || || ||Thanks. ||Ken. || ||

Texas Parts Guy

Pull the ram, and put it on a surface plate. Any daylight under will show where the wear on the ram is. One could fixture it and surface grind it flat. Shrug.

Id also look inside the ram channel and using a ground flat, indicate and see if the front of the channel is worn into a lip. Also check the gibs for squareness.

If such is the case, the easier fix would be to shape a plate mounted on the top of the table. This would make the plate flat to the plane of the ram movement, then mount your vise on it.

Unless..the ram moves parallel for part of its travel, then suddenly drops into a taper (droop), then Id say the ram and channel need to be ground flat again. More than likely this would be a worn spot in the bottom of the ram, which would show up on the surface plate.

Some of the old shapers didnt get lubed properly..sigh.

Gunner

"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

Yep... he has no info on the 7", but sells a book for the 8" which is supposed to be similar. Ken.

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